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<blockquote data-quote="Treebore" data-source="post: 4613809" data-attributes="member: 10177">I did numerous &quot;high level&quot; games, only a couple that I DMed went into high teens, low 20's. I played in two Epic level games, to 48th and 68th. I like playing high level mages, I like the choices, because they give me versatility. The real power in a game. Your right though, running a 17th level game can be a chore. You know what to do to make it more bearable? Quit worrying about doing everything precisely correct. Or use on line character generators. Or recycle killed NPC's and change them up a little into something new. The biggest &quot;liberating&quot; thing C&amp;C reminded me of is that I am the master of the rules, and in 3E I let the rules control me. So don't worry about the rules, you are the rules, and you can do no wrong. So you don't need 5 page write ups of precisely what all their modifiers are, they are what you want them to be. They aren't wrong because you want them that way, and you are the DM, the Alpha and the Omega. You &quot;own&quot; those books, they don't &quot;own&quot; you.As for playing a mage, I like doing all the detailed tweaking, when its my one and only character.As a DM limiting your games to lvl 12 or lower may be the perfect answer.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Treebore, post: 4613809, member: 10177"] I did numerous "high level" games, only a couple that I DMed went into high teens, low 20's. I played in two Epic level games, to 48th and 68th. I like playing high level mages, I like the choices, because they give me versatility. The real power in a game. Your right though, running a 17th level game can be a chore. You know what to do to make it more bearable? Quit worrying about doing everything precisely correct. Or use on line character generators. Or recycle killed NPC's and change them up a little into something new. The biggest "liberating" thing C&C reminded me of is that I am the master of the rules, and in 3E I let the rules control me. So don't worry about the rules, you are the rules, and you can do no wrong. So you don't need 5 page write ups of precisely what all their modifiers are, they are what you want them to be. They aren't wrong because you want them that way, and you are the DM, the Alpha and the Omega. You "own" those books, they don't "own" you. As for playing a mage, I like doing all the detailed tweaking, when its my one and only character. As a DM limiting your games to lvl 12 or lower may be the perfect answer. [/QUOTE]

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