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<blockquote data-quote="Dykstrav" data-source="post: 5437968" data-attributes="member: 40522"><p>To be upfront... I've never had a Dungeons & Dragons Insider subscription. But I'd like to get one, if it ever gets to the point where it has some value to me. I felt like I should chime in because I'm a potential customer that isn't (apparently) being targeted, and also, because the people I'm gaming with are dropping their subscriptions for similar reasons.</p><p></p><p>I thought that I'd get one after it'd been up for about a year or so, thinking that the bugs and other issues would have been worked out by then. I'd honestly be interested in applications for tabletop gaming. I'm still running my games with Microsoft Word documents on my laptop. I just can't see a big reason to invest.</p><p></p><p>Dragon? Well... I don't really get to play, I usually end up stuck being the DM. I'm not terribly interested in material targeted at character generation or player characters. I have gotten to play 4E six times with two different characters since 4E has come out. I don't need more options for a facet of the game that I rarely get to experience. More magic items? Perhaps. Distribution of magic items is something that I do get oversight on. But issues with magic items keep pushing my groups towards ditching them and going for inherent bonuses, so even that isn't a compelling enough reason to check out the material.</p><p></p><p>Dungeon? I might've used in in previous editions of the game where there is some serious number-crunching involved with making an adventure. But 4E is so easy to make adventures for that I can prep an entire 5-hour session in a little over an hour. Most of that time I spend making a new monster/NPC or a skill challenge or two. I can just about run the game on the fly (especially since reskinning things is extremely easy in 4E), so the demand for published adventures for 4E isn't that great to me.</p><p></p><p>The character builder? I don't need it. I don't get to play that often, and even if I did, 4E's character generation is pretty straightforward in the heroic tier. Whipping up a 1st-level character takes more than five minutes only if you're making a hybrid character or poring over endless options (and as I've explained above, my rare occasions of play hasn't really put me in a position to need more options for character generation).</p><p></p><p>The virtual tabletop? Maybe. If I could get it to support my house rules I'd give it a look.</p><p></p><p>What would I want to see out of Dungeons & Dragons Insider? What would make me pay for it? In rough order of importance:</p><p></p><p><strong>1) Access, in some form, to material from previous versions of the game. </strong>Removing (legitimate) .pdf files from the marketplace has sent me to the secondary market to find the material I want to buy in dead tree format. Although they choose to support only the current edition of the game, I'd rather give the IP holder a few bucks rather than someone on the secondary market. It's more convenient for me, for the same reasons that I use Netflix to see a movie instead of hitting the used DVD bin at Game Stop. If Dungeons & Dragons Insider allowed you to purchase .pdf files of older material, I'd probably sign up immediately.</p><p></p><p><strong>2) Map-making applications. </strong>Wouldn't it be handy if you could use a drag-and-drop application to make dungeon maps with <em>dungeon tiles</em> and then print them out? If you could make your own poster-sized map of a dungeon complex like the ones included with D&D adventures? That'd make me sign up. I'd love to print <em>dungeon tile</em>-based maps rather than haul a box of tiles to my game.</p><p></p><p><strong>3) Deliver the content discussed at the launch of 4E. </strong>This is always a niggling issue, but I'd like to see the character visualizer and a 3D virtual tabletop similar to the ones shown in 2008. Would I use them? Yeah, but it's not entirely the point. Either the company shifted focus when the going got tough or maybe they didn't have a clear plan to implement their ideas--neither possibility inspires much confidence in the product.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dykstrav, post: 5437968, member: 40522"] To be upfront... I've never had a Dungeons & Dragons Insider subscription. But I'd like to get one, if it ever gets to the point where it has some value to me. I felt like I should chime in because I'm a potential customer that isn't (apparently) being targeted, and also, because the people I'm gaming with are dropping their subscriptions for similar reasons. I thought that I'd get one after it'd been up for about a year or so, thinking that the bugs and other issues would have been worked out by then. I'd honestly be interested in applications for tabletop gaming. I'm still running my games with Microsoft Word documents on my laptop. I just can't see a big reason to invest. Dragon? Well... I don't really get to play, I usually end up stuck being the DM. I'm not terribly interested in material targeted at character generation or player characters. I have gotten to play 4E six times with two different characters since 4E has come out. I don't need more options for a facet of the game that I rarely get to experience. More magic items? Perhaps. Distribution of magic items is something that I do get oversight on. But issues with magic items keep pushing my groups towards ditching them and going for inherent bonuses, so even that isn't a compelling enough reason to check out the material. Dungeon? I might've used in in previous editions of the game where there is some serious number-crunching involved with making an adventure. But 4E is so easy to make adventures for that I can prep an entire 5-hour session in a little over an hour. Most of that time I spend making a new monster/NPC or a skill challenge or two. I can just about run the game on the fly (especially since reskinning things is extremely easy in 4E), so the demand for published adventures for 4E isn't that great to me. The character builder? I don't need it. I don't get to play that often, and even if I did, 4E's character generation is pretty straightforward in the heroic tier. Whipping up a 1st-level character takes more than five minutes only if you're making a hybrid character or poring over endless options (and as I've explained above, my rare occasions of play hasn't really put me in a position to need more options for character generation). The virtual tabletop? Maybe. If I could get it to support my house rules I'd give it a look. What would I want to see out of Dungeons & Dragons Insider? What would make me pay for it? In rough order of importance: [B]1) Access, in some form, to material from previous versions of the game. [/B]Removing (legitimate) .pdf files from the marketplace has sent me to the secondary market to find the material I want to buy in dead tree format. Although they choose to support only the current edition of the game, I'd rather give the IP holder a few bucks rather than someone on the secondary market. It's more convenient for me, for the same reasons that I use Netflix to see a movie instead of hitting the used DVD bin at Game Stop. If Dungeons & Dragons Insider allowed you to purchase .pdf files of older material, I'd probably sign up immediately. [B]2) Map-making applications. [/B]Wouldn't it be handy if you could use a drag-and-drop application to make dungeon maps with [I]dungeon tiles[/I] and then print them out? If you could make your own poster-sized map of a dungeon complex like the ones included with D&D adventures? That'd make me sign up. I'd love to print [I]dungeon tile[/I]-based maps rather than haul a box of tiles to my game. [B]3) Deliver the content discussed at the launch of 4E. [/B]This is always a niggling issue, but I'd like to see the character visualizer and a 3D virtual tabletop similar to the ones shown in 2008. Would I use them? Yeah, but it's not entirely the point. Either the company shifted focus when the going got tough or maybe they didn't have a clear plan to implement their ideas--neither possibility inspires much confidence in the product. [/QUOTE]
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