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Message: <blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 2360569" data-attributes="member: 22424">I think Harm is quite capable of killing: "Harm charges a subject with negative energy that deals 10 point of damage per caster level (to a maximum of 150 points at 15th level). If the creatures successfully saves, harm deals half this amount, but it cannot reduce the target's hit points to less than 1." (PHB p.239)The second sentence there seems to indicate that Harm cannot kill only if the target saves.(Incidentally, the description of Slay Living should include a cap on how much damage the spell can do on a save - I think +15 is the appropriate maximum for a 5th level spell.)Is Slay Living too powerful? Hard to say, but I don't think so. The fact that it's a Fort save spell makes it limited in usefulness against Fighter-types, while the range of touch requires that the caster move into position to target the opponent. This probably limits its use against the party wizard - how often is an enemy cleric going to be able to move into touch range of the wizard? Thus, its main usefulness is against the rogue-types.On the other hand, Harm is also a touch spell, but with a Will save. Additionally, the consequences of a successful save are also fairly significant. The loss of 55 hit points is (or should be) significant to even a high level fighter-type, and the loss of 110 is likely to be fatal to any other type of character.I think Slay Living is probably about right. That said, I definately agree with Monte Cook's sentiment that perhaps the levels at which certain effects come into play need to be reassessed.</blockquote>

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