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<blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 7845826" data-attributes="member: 6750235">The bold part isn't true.&nbsp; The amount of training with a light crossbow is the same in game mechanics terms.&nbsp; There aren't different types of proficiency.&nbsp; There is trained and there is not trained.&nbsp; Fighters are trained in a wider variety of weapons and armor.&nbsp; Wizards train with some weapons.What you did earlier was switch from a STR based example to a DEX based ranger where the race didn't match up to the class abilities.&nbsp; That's like complaining someone's half-orc wizard doesn't have the same spell DC as an elven fighter.&nbsp; Making a choice for flavor doesn't invalidate other options.&nbsp; It's easy to match a race to warrior classes and not struggle here.&nbsp; Fighters, monks, paladins, rogues, barbarians, and even rangers with the right class are better at combat than a wizard with some DEX.&nbsp; Even the cherry-picked anecdote you used earlier is better for 19/20 levels.EDIT:&nbsp; It's not an issue with mechanics.&nbsp; It's just your perception of &quot;how things should be&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ashrym, post: 7845826, member: 6750235"] The bold part isn't true. The amount of training with a light crossbow is the same in game mechanics terms. There aren't different types of proficiency. There is trained and there is not trained. Fighters are trained in a wider variety of weapons and armor. Wizards train with some weapons. What you did earlier was switch from a STR based example to a DEX based ranger where the race didn't match up to the class abilities. That's like complaining someone's half-orc wizard doesn't have the same spell DC as an elven fighter. Making a choice for flavor doesn't invalidate other options. It's easy to match a race to warrior classes and not struggle here. Fighters, monks, paladins, rogues, barbarians, and even rangers with the right class are better at combat than a wizard with some DEX. Even the cherry-picked anecdote you used earlier is better for 19/20 levels. EDIT: It's not an issue with mechanics. It's just your perception of "how things should be". [/QUOTE]

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