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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 7846023" data-attributes="member: 6987520">Well, getting back to the OP, the idea of them having the same HD (e.g. flat d8 for medium, d6 for small, as per all other creatures) was because although a fighter might have more HP due to skill and physical endurance, a wizard might have more due to sixth-sense, will-to-live, etc. This issue has been resolved to my satisfaction by removing the max HP at level one and insisting players roll for HP thereafter. It is the set HP that created the case where a fighter (given the same CON at least) will always have more HP than any d8 or d6 class. By re-introducing randomness, the problem goes away.Yep, I know how BA limits 5E and was designed to do so, but it creates issues of sense for me and others I play with because IMO they bound it too tightly. The separate progressions in prior editions makes more sense. I know they strove for simplicity and they succeeded in that respect, much to my lament.I am also aware that many players took issue in earlier editions with wizards once their spells were spent. To me that was never a problem. Choosing when to use their powerful magic&nbsp; during the adventure was part of the challenge of playing them. In such a way they did contribute meaningfully. Also, wizard could always use the weapons they knew well enough to help out in combat. For purposes of 5E, giving warriors a slight boost to attack rolls or reducing other classes a point or two is all I am really talking about to make things a bit more sensible to my thinking.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 7846023, member: 6987520"] Well, getting back to the OP, the idea of them having the same HD (e.g. flat d8 for medium, d6 for small, as per all other creatures) was because although a fighter might have more HP due to skill and physical endurance, a wizard might have more due to sixth-sense, will-to-live, etc. This issue has been resolved to my satisfaction by removing the max HP at level one and insisting players roll for HP thereafter. It is the set HP that created the case where a fighter (given the same CON at least) will always have more HP than any d8 or d6 class. By re-introducing randomness, the problem goes away. Yep, I know how BA limits 5E and was designed to do so, but it creates issues of sense for me and others I play with because IMO they bound it [I]too tightly[/I]. The separate progressions in prior editions makes more sense. I know they strove for simplicity and they succeeded in that respect, much to my lament. I am also aware that many players took issue in earlier editions with wizards once their spells were spent. To me that was never a problem. Choosing [I]when[/I] to use their powerful magic during the adventure was part of the challenge of playing them. In such a way they did contribute meaningfully. Also, wizard could always use the weapons they knew well enough to help out in combat. For purposes of 5E, giving warriors a slight boost to attack rolls or reducing other classes a point or two is all I am really talking about to make things a bit more sensible to my thinking. [/QUOTE]

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