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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 7848192" data-attributes="member: 6750235">Until someone on the internet complains clerics train more for combat than wizards.  It's a double standard to support 1 opinion and ignore the other.  5e simply doesn't use proficiency to indicate better training.  It indicates basic training.Except that's not true.  A 1st level elf fighter or variant human or any other race choice to add ability to use spells at 1st level can have that 16 ability score and +3 attack bonus and 13 DC saves.  It's completely irrelevant of the class and completely dependent on the race choices made just like the weapon use examples.It's another double standard to look only at the bonus instead of the package.  In both cases it's everything else that makes one better than the other.</blockquote>