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<blockquote data-quote="Ashrym" data-source="post: 7850063" data-attributes="member: 6750235"><p>Proficiency scales with level as a representation of experience, not superior knowledge in weapon use. That's why learning to use a weapon at 16 level still gives a +5 bonus instead of a +2 bonus having just learned it.</p><p></p><p>I would play a game house-ruled that wizards have no weapon proficiencies at all. That just means I would add the proficiency by race, or feat, or just rely on cantrips for damage. The class proficiencies aren't actually meaningful enough to matter.</p><p></p><p>My point with the fighter was the bonuses for the 1st level fighter who picks up cantrips or spells regardless of source are the same bonuses as the wizard. That's that exact same argument being used about weapons and proficiency. The argument that fighters cast spells as well as wizards is just as valid as the argument that wizards fight just as well as fighters because both arguments are using the exact same criteria. Both arguments are wrong, and I was illustrating the point.</p><p></p><p>5e proficiency is a lot more like the old non-weapon proficiencies from before the 3e skill system and all WotC did was add weapons to the mechanic. It's literally nothing more than learning how to use the weapon, or armor, or tool, or skill techniques.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ashrym, post: 7850063, member: 6750235"] Proficiency scales with level as a representation of experience, not superior knowledge in weapon use. That's why learning to use a weapon at 16 level still gives a +5 bonus instead of a +2 bonus having just learned it. I would play a game house-ruled that wizards have no weapon proficiencies at all. That just means I would add the proficiency by race, or feat, or just rely on cantrips for damage. The class proficiencies aren't actually meaningful enough to matter. My point with the fighter was the bonuses for the 1st level fighter who picks up cantrips or spells regardless of source are the same bonuses as the wizard. That's that exact same argument being used about weapons and proficiency. The argument that fighters cast spells as well as wizards is just as valid as the argument that wizards fight just as well as fighters because both arguments are using the exact same criteria. Both arguments are wrong, and I was illustrating the point. 5e proficiency is a lot more like the old non-weapon proficiencies from before the 3e skill system and all WotC did was add weapons to the mechanic. It's literally nothing more than learning how to use the weapon, or armor, or tool, or skill techniques. [/QUOTE]
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