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<blockquote data-quote="LostSoul" data-source="post: 4595901" data-attributes="member: 386"><p><strong>Kuthrik Nest</strong></p><p></p><p><strong>PCs:</strong></p><p>Bren the Bold (Halfling Artful Dodger Rogue 6) (player not present, run by another player)</p><p>Jace (Half-Elf Infernal Pact Warlock 6)</p><p>Wexley (Human Sword & Board Fighter 6)</p><p>Malchior (Human Tactical Warlord/Arcane Initiate 6) (player not present, run by another player)</p><p>Armok Zed (Human Wizard/Cleric multiclass 6)</p><p></p><p><strong>Opposition:</strong></p><p>5 Kuthrik Adults</p><p>1 Kuthrik Hive Lord</p><p></p><p><strong>Setup:</strong> The PCs are heading through the dungeon. A random encounter is rolled. We throw down a map that includes a river, a bridge, and a small building.</p><p></p><p>The players place their PCs on the bridge, about 10 squares away from the building. The Kuthrik are in the building. One adult steps out the broken wall of the building and pokes its head out. It screeches in hunger.</p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: red">Roll for initiative.</span></strong></p><p></p><p><strong>Round 1:</strong></p><p></p><p><strong>Bren the Bold:</strong> Sly Flourish at range on the adult. Hit, 24 damage.</p><p><strong>Jace:</strong> Eldritch Blast at range on the adult. Hit, 14 damage.</p><p><strong>Wexley:</strong> Move up to the adult. Crushing Blow? (Martial Power). Hit, 14 damage. At this point he spots the rest of the Kuthriks. Takes 2 damage.</p><p><strong>Malchior:</strong> Move up. Scorching Burst. Two adults take 8 points of damage, one is critted for 18.</p><p><strong>Adults:</strong> I didn't take notes for the bad guys. Wexley was attacked. He and Malchior were shot with poison spikes. Wexley has resist poison 5. An adult burrowed through the building to flank Wexley. Another adult burrowed through the building and nailed Jace with a poison dart, slowing him. I think one shifted by Wexley and got hit.</p><p><strong>Hive Lord:</strong> Move. Move. Action Point: Acid Burst. Nailed all the PCs save Wexley.</p><p><strong>Armok:</strong> Icy Rays? One adult hit for 8, the Hive Lord for 13.</p><p></p><p><strong>Round 2:</strong></p><p></p><p><strong>Bren the Bold (weakened, ongoing acid 5):</strong> Sly Flourish the Hive Lord. 6 damage. Move away. Failed save?</p><p><strong>Jace (weakened, slowed, ongoing acid 5, ongoing poison 5):</strong> Hellish Rebuke the adult who burrowed through the building. 6 damage. Failed both saves?</p><p><strong>Wexley:</strong> Activate Rain of Blows? Sweeping Blow. Hit two adults and the hive lord for 8 damage. Takes 2 damage.</p><p><strong>Malchior (weakened, ongoing acid 5):</strong> Fire Shroud. Hit two adults for 6 damage, ongoing fire 5. Failed save?</p><p><strong>Adults:</strong> Take damage from Wexley's Rain of Blows. Move in and attack Wexley, all have flanking, all deal double damage. One hits for mid-teens damage. The other is immobilized and shoots poison spikes at Jace?.</p><p><strong>Hive Lord:</strong> Acid Burst. Hits Jace, Malchior, Wexley.</p><p><strong>Armok:</strong> Cloud of Daggers on the Hive Lord. 14 damage.</p><p></p><p><strong>Round 3:</strong></p><p></p><p><strong>Bren the Bold (weakened, ongoing acid 5):</strong> Sly Flourish, 6 damage. Makes save?</p><p><strong>Jace (weakened, slowed, ongoing acid 5, ongoing poison 5):</strong> Hellish Rebuke for 6 damage. (I have "3x4" written down, I'm not sure if hit more creatures or not.) Saves versus one weakened, fails another, uses Dark Luck to make save.</p><p><strong>Wexley (weakened, ongoing acid 5):</strong> Comeback Strike. Miss; AP: hit Hive Lord. 12 damage?</p><p><strong>Malchior:</strong> Warlord's Favour; Miss.</p><p><strong>Adults:</strong> Take damage from Wexley's Rain of Blows. 3 Attack Wexley; one hits for decent damage. (One was dead by now.) The other charges Malchior, hits hard.</p><p><strong>Hive Lord:</strong> Takes damage from Wexley's Rain of Blows. Shifts back to get Wexley and Malchior, gets hit by Wexley for ~6 damage. Acid Burst hits Malchior.</p><p><strong>Armok:</strong> Bigby's Icy Fist on Hive Lord; hits & AP sustain for a total of 29 damage.</p><p></p><p><strong>Round 4:</strong></p><p></p><p><strong>Bren the Bold:</strong> Miss.</p><p><strong>Jace (slowed, poisoned):</strong> Fire Bolt, Miss. Action Point: Hunger of Hadar on Hive Lord.</p><p><strong>Wexley (weakened, ongoing acid 5):</strong> Crushing Blow on an adult. Hit, 6 damage.</p><p><strong>Malchior (weakened, acid?):</strong> Viper's Strike, hits, didn't write down the damage. Assume 4-8.</p><p><strong>Adults:</strong> Take damage from Wexley's Rain of Blows. Delay.</p><p><strong>Hive Lord:</strong> Tries to break free of icy fist; fails. Acid Burst hits Jace, Wexley, Malchior.</p><p><strong>Adults:</strong> 3 attack Wexley, 1 hit. One attacks Malchior, hits. All hits are around 15 damage.</p><p><strong>Armok:</strong> Cloud of Daggers (or Cause Fear?) on Hive Lord; misses. Sustains Icy Fist for 10 damage.</p><p></p><p><strong>Round 5:</strong></p><p></p><p><strong>Bren the Bold:</strong> Sly Flourish Hive Lord for 16 damage.</p><p><strong>Jace (weakened? poisoned?):</strong> Diabolic Grasp; Miss.</p><p><strong>Wexley:</strong> Crushing Blow on Hive Lord; 9 damage.</p><p><strong>Malchior (weakened?):</strong> Viper's Strike; hit, didn't record damage.</p><p><strong>Hive Lord:</strong> Nearly dies from the Hunger of Hadar. Breaks free of Icy Fist. Acid Burst Wexley and Malchior.</p><p><strong>Adults:</strong> 3 attack Wexley, at least one hits for 21 damage. He drops. 1 attacks Malchior, he drops.</p><p><strong>Armok:</strong> Rushes into the mix, Thunderwave. Hits one for 9?</p><p></p><p><strong>Round 6:</strong></p><p></p><p><strong>Bren the Bold:</strong> Sly Flourish one of the adults, 16 damage.</p><p><strong>Jace:</strong> Eldritch Blast one of the adults, 18 damage.</p><p><strong>Wexley:</strong> Makes Death Save.</p><p><strong>Malchior:</strong> Makes Death Save.</p><p><strong>Adults:</strong> Shoot poison darts?</p><p><strong>Hive Lord:</strong> <dies></p><p><strong>Armok:</strong> hnd? Whatever that power is. Oh, HAND. Bigby's Icy Fist. 19 damage.</p><p></p><p><strong>Round 7:</strong></p><p></p><p><strong>Bren the Bold:</strong> fnb? 16 damage whatever that is. I think that killed one.</p><p><strong>Jace:</strong> Eldritch Blast, kills one.</p><p></p><p>Fight over. 90 minutes real-time. (I spent forever on the Hive Lord's first turn, then had to look up burrowing... oh well.)</p><p></p><p>Notes: I didn't keep track of everything that happened (like when someone was weakened by the acid or poisoned); I'm sure I left out a bunch of stuff. I didn't keep track of who attacked whom so I might have screwed that up. I recall screwing up the burrowing for the first two adults, making them just move 3 instead of 1 through solid stone.</p><p></p><p>The fight basically boiled down to a vicious melee with the kuthrik adults mobbing Wexley and the Hive Lord blasting Wexley and Malchior while the others tried to hurt the Hive Lord from range. The one adult who was not engaged with Wex was able to harass the other PCs well enough.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LostSoul, post: 4595901, member: 386"] [b]Kuthrik Nest[/b] [b]PCs:[/b] Bren the Bold (Halfling Artful Dodger Rogue 6) (player not present, run by another player) Jace (Half-Elf Infernal Pact Warlock 6) Wexley (Human Sword & Board Fighter 6) Malchior (Human Tactical Warlord/Arcane Initiate 6) (player not present, run by another player) Armok Zed (Human Wizard/Cleric multiclass 6) [b]Opposition:[/b] 5 Kuthrik Adults 1 Kuthrik Hive Lord [b]Setup:[/b] The PCs are heading through the dungeon. A random encounter is rolled. We throw down a map that includes a river, a bridge, and a small building. The players place their PCs on the bridge, about 10 squares away from the building. The Kuthrik are in the building. One adult steps out the broken wall of the building and pokes its head out. It screeches in hunger. [b][color=red]Roll for initiative.[/color][/b] [b]Round 1:[/b] [b]Bren the Bold:[/b] Sly Flourish at range on the adult. Hit, 24 damage. [b]Jace:[/b] Eldritch Blast at range on the adult. Hit, 14 damage. [b]Wexley:[/b] Move up to the adult. Crushing Blow? (Martial Power). Hit, 14 damage. At this point he spots the rest of the Kuthriks. Takes 2 damage. [b]Malchior:[/b] Move up. Scorching Burst. Two adults take 8 points of damage, one is critted for 18. [b]Adults:[/b] I didn't take notes for the bad guys. Wexley was attacked. He and Malchior were shot with poison spikes. Wexley has resist poison 5. An adult burrowed through the building to flank Wexley. Another adult burrowed through the building and nailed Jace with a poison dart, slowing him. I think one shifted by Wexley and got hit. [b]Hive Lord:[/b] Move. Move. Action Point: Acid Burst. Nailed all the PCs save Wexley. [b]Armok:[/b] Icy Rays? One adult hit for 8, the Hive Lord for 13. [b]Round 2:[/b] [b]Bren the Bold (weakened, ongoing acid 5):[/b] Sly Flourish the Hive Lord. 6 damage. Move away. Failed save? [b]Jace (weakened, slowed, ongoing acid 5, ongoing poison 5):[/b] Hellish Rebuke the adult who burrowed through the building. 6 damage. Failed both saves? [b]Wexley:[/b] Activate Rain of Blows? Sweeping Blow. Hit two adults and the hive lord for 8 damage. Takes 2 damage. [b]Malchior (weakened, ongoing acid 5):[/b] Fire Shroud. Hit two adults for 6 damage, ongoing fire 5. Failed save? [b]Adults:[/b] Take damage from Wexley's Rain of Blows. Move in and attack Wexley, all have flanking, all deal double damage. One hits for mid-teens damage. The other is immobilized and shoots poison spikes at Jace?. [b]Hive Lord:[/b] Acid Burst. Hits Jace, Malchior, Wexley. [b]Armok:[/b] Cloud of Daggers on the Hive Lord. 14 damage. [b]Round 3:[/b] [b]Bren the Bold (weakened, ongoing acid 5):[/b] Sly Flourish, 6 damage. Makes save? [b]Jace (weakened, slowed, ongoing acid 5, ongoing poison 5):[/b] Hellish Rebuke for 6 damage. (I have "3x4" written down, I'm not sure if hit more creatures or not.) Saves versus one weakened, fails another, uses Dark Luck to make save. [b]Wexley (weakened, ongoing acid 5):[/b] Comeback Strike. Miss; AP: hit Hive Lord. 12 damage? [b]Malchior:[/b] Warlord's Favour; Miss. [b]Adults:[/b] Take damage from Wexley's Rain of Blows. 3 Attack Wexley; one hits for decent damage. (One was dead by now.) The other charges Malchior, hits hard. [b]Hive Lord:[/b] Takes damage from Wexley's Rain of Blows. Shifts back to get Wexley and Malchior, gets hit by Wexley for ~6 damage. Acid Burst hits Malchior. [b]Armok:[/b] Bigby's Icy Fist on Hive Lord; hits & AP sustain for a total of 29 damage. [b]Round 4:[/b] [b]Bren the Bold:[/b] Miss. [b]Jace (slowed, poisoned):[/b] Fire Bolt, Miss. Action Point: Hunger of Hadar on Hive Lord. [b]Wexley (weakened, ongoing acid 5):[/b] Crushing Blow on an adult. Hit, 6 damage. [b]Malchior (weakened, acid?):[/b] Viper's Strike, hits, didn't write down the damage. Assume 4-8. [b]Adults:[/b] Take damage from Wexley's Rain of Blows. Delay. [b]Hive Lord:[/b] Tries to break free of icy fist; fails. Acid Burst hits Jace, Wexley, Malchior. [b]Adults:[/b] 3 attack Wexley, 1 hit. One attacks Malchior, hits. All hits are around 15 damage. [b]Armok:[/b] Cloud of Daggers (or Cause Fear?) on Hive Lord; misses. Sustains Icy Fist for 10 damage. [b]Round 5:[/b] [b]Bren the Bold:[/b] Sly Flourish Hive Lord for 16 damage. [b]Jace (weakened? poisoned?):[/b] Diabolic Grasp; Miss. [b]Wexley:[/b] Crushing Blow on Hive Lord; 9 damage. [b]Malchior (weakened?):[/b] Viper's Strike; hit, didn't record damage. [b]Hive Lord:[/b] Nearly dies from the Hunger of Hadar. Breaks free of Icy Fist. Acid Burst Wexley and Malchior. [b]Adults:[/b] 3 attack Wexley, at least one hits for 21 damage. He drops. 1 attacks Malchior, he drops. [b]Armok:[/b] Rushes into the mix, Thunderwave. Hits one for 9? [b]Round 6:[/b] [b]Bren the Bold:[/b] Sly Flourish one of the adults, 16 damage. [b]Jace:[/b] Eldritch Blast one of the adults, 18 damage. [b]Wexley:[/b] Makes Death Save. [b]Malchior:[/b] Makes Death Save. [b]Adults:[/b] Shoot poison darts? [b]Hive Lord:[/b] <dies> [b]Armok:[/b] hnd? Whatever that power is. Oh, HAND. Bigby's Icy Fist. 19 damage. [b]Round 7:[/b] [b]Bren the Bold:[/b] fnb? 16 damage whatever that is. I think that killed one. [b]Jace:[/b] Eldritch Blast, kills one. Fight over. 90 minutes real-time. (I spent forever on the Hive Lord's first turn, then had to look up burrowing... oh well.) Notes: I didn't keep track of everything that happened (like when someone was weakened by the acid or poisoned); I'm sure I left out a bunch of stuff. I didn't keep track of who attacked whom so I might have screwed that up. I recall screwing up the burrowing for the first two adults, making them just move 3 instead of 1 through solid stone. The fight basically boiled down to a vicious melee with the kuthrik adults mobbing Wexley and the Hive Lord blasting Wexley and Malchior while the others tried to hurt the Hive Lord from range. The one adult who was not engaged with Wex was able to harass the other PCs well enough. [/QUOTE]
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