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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5901416" data-attributes="member: 22779">I just love how people pick and choose their examples to "prove" their point.  For example, Exploder Wizard makes a great deal about the fact that a 9th level fighter has a THAC0 of 12 and a 9th level cleric is 16.  That's absolutely true.  But, a 10th level fighter has a THAC0 of 12 and the 10th level cleric is 14.  Suddenly the difference is not so pronounced.  Yup, the fighter has 2 better to hit.  Yup, the fighter has 1 extra attack every other round, but the cleric, at this point, has more spells than he knows what to do with.I mean, this two point spread doesn't just hit at 10th level either.  At 7th level and at 8th, there's also a two point spread.  Wow, for one level out of four, the fighter gets to pull ahead significantly.  Yeah, that's worth seven or eight levels of casting.It would be far more constructive in these conversations if people would be a lot more honest in their choice of how they prove their point.  Cherry picking elements and ignoring the rest is just arguing in bad faith.  It only shows just how weak a point actually is.  If the point was actually strong, it wouldn't be necessary to play silly buggers games.There is absolutely no reason that the cleric isn't just as effective as the fighter in combat and he still has all sorts of goodies to fall back on.-----------Profislaes - of that 120 points of damage in a single round, how much of that was because of buffs from the casters?  How much of that came directly from the character himself and not his magic items and various other gew gaws.Because a 10th level caster doing 40 points of damage is about as weak as he can get.  Let's not forget, he's got two levels higher for magic he can dish out.  This isn't his big attack, this is his minor, afterthought attack.</blockquote>

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