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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JamesonCourage" data-source="post: 5905040" data-attributes="member: 6668292">Yeah... still disagree as a universal statement.Maybe it's me, but not all scouting missions include bad guys (this goes back to the game isn't all combat), and when there is bad guys, not all of them have amazing senses (if it doesn't scale at ½ level, for example).Whoa, your DCs are pretty rough. How do the common people get along? Are they all high level? That bonus (+4 in my game) is more than enough to get by in my game, and +8 was not a bad bonus in 3.X. This applies to Knowledge checks, healing, conjuring food, and so on.Hey, didn't mean to offend. Honestly. Sorry if I did. (And I won't try to clarify or anything without you asking, since I feel that'll make me come off as trying to justify rather than clarify.)Yes, I did say that if the high level characters had the same skill they'd trounce the level 1 guy (though certain things, like having an extra guy on watch, would still help). As far as level-dependent skills, it makes a much bigger difference when you don't automatically add ½ your level to everything. Suddenly that level 1 character's +8 to Knowledge, Survival, and Heal seem much better than the +4 that the next best guy has at level 15.Well, I'd say this is much different than what I addressed (in spirit, at least). While a level 1 character can meaningfully contribute to the party, I purposefully quoted Hussar with ForeverSlayer's original quote in the text, and mentioned an important word that ForeverSlayer used - "shine". The level 1 character can most certainly "shine" in a party of level 15 PCs, and it doesn't have much to do with what niches they care about.Sometimes through hiring other NPCs or the like, sure. Or just not taking watch for an hour or two per night. But, as I said, there are quite a few other ways for someone to contribute meaningfully other than taking a watch. Go reread the list, if you want the examples again.Well, in 3.X, you don't automatically add ½ your level to all skills, like you do in 4e. So, a 15th level character in 4e is getting anywhere from +6 (on the lowest end) to +11 or so (on the high end) to untrained skills (like navigating, etc.). This isn't true in 3.X, where that 15th level character is getting anywhere from -1 to +4 or so.In my RPG, skills are level-dependent in the sense that the higher hit die you are, the more ranks you can put into the skill (or more character points to boost the skill), netting you a bigger bonus.On skills you don't invest in, though, you can easily be outpaced by much lower hit die creatures. Hit die 1 hunter, medic, sage, etc. trainees will still likely be a decent amount better than hit die 15 characters who aren't invested. They can probably take a 10 even if they're threatened or distracted, and might have as much as a +5 bonus (if they're very invested in the skill) (DC 15 is "competent professional" level) to an untrained hit die 15 character's +0 to +2 bonus (DC 10 is "everyday task" level).All in all, I really disagree with the sentiment seemingly expressed that a low level character can't significantly contribute to the party, or shine in a party of high level characters. Is there the possibility that the party has the guy completely covered, and there's no need for him on watch, carrying things, or in his field? Sure. But, that wasn't my point. My point was that a level 1 can regularly contribute meaningfully, and that he can shine while fulfilling his niche. Not that he always will. As always, play what you like <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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