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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8539027" data-attributes="member: 22779">There are a few things to remember too about the whole static defenses thing.&nbsp; Those static, walled cities, such as in the Sword Coast are old.&nbsp; As in really old.&nbsp; But, even drop a zero and make them a few centuries old instead of a few thousand and it really doesn't matter.&nbsp; When you have that much time, and you have permanent magic, it gets layered on greater and greater.For example, it's not unreasonable that any wealthy home would have a decanter of endless water.&nbsp; It's not a major expense and once you have one, it's there forever.&nbsp; Add to that something like a Murylynd's (sp) Spoon or similar magic item that generates food.&nbsp; There, poof, and your wealthier homes can now completely support themselves if it comes to a siege.Then the walls themselves start getting more and more layered.&nbsp; Umber Hulks digging through your wall?&nbsp; They're going to have a real problem with every tenth stone under the outer layer is inscribed with a glyph of warding.&nbsp; Digging under the walls?&nbsp; Remember those Decanters of Endless Water?&nbsp; Yeah, good luck digging in flooded tunnels.&nbsp; On and on and on.&nbsp; Even in a fairly low magic setting, time will handle a lot of things.&nbsp; Fabricate spells to add a layer of steel to your walls between layers.&nbsp; Stuff like that.&nbsp; Because many of these things last more or less forever, once you get established, time will simply add more and more.&nbsp; I do agree that D&amp;D settings really don't take magic into consideration.&nbsp; Even Eberron, IMO, doesn't go anywhere near far enough.&nbsp; But, it doesn't really matter in the end.&nbsp; It's entirely plausible to have walled cities and it's not that hard to justify them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 8539027, member: 22779"] There are a few things to remember too about the whole static defenses thing. Those static, walled cities, such as in the Sword Coast are old. As in really old. But, even drop a zero and make them a few centuries old instead of a few thousand and it really doesn't matter. When you have that much time, and you have permanent magic, it gets layered on greater and greater. For example, it's not unreasonable that any wealthy home would have a decanter of endless water. It's not a major expense and once you have one, it's there forever. Add to that something like a Murylynd's (sp) Spoon or similar magic item that generates food. There, poof, and your wealthier homes can now completely support themselves if it comes to a siege. Then the walls themselves start getting more and more layered. Umber Hulks digging through your wall? They're going to have a real problem with every tenth stone under the outer layer is inscribed with a glyph of warding. Digging under the walls? Remember those Decanters of Endless Water? Yeah, good luck digging in flooded tunnels. On and on and on. Even in a fairly low magic setting, time will handle a lot of things. Fabricate spells to add a layer of steel to your walls between layers. Stuff like that. Because many of these things last more or less forever, once you get established, time will simply add more and more. I do agree that D&D settings really don't take magic into consideration. Even Eberron, IMO, doesn't go anywhere near far enough. But, it doesn't really matter in the end. It's entirely plausible to have walled cities and it's not that hard to justify them. [/QUOTE]

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