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<blockquote data-quote="shilsen" data-source="post: 3956445" data-attributes="member: 198">Which is not something I was disputing. That being said, if you look at the stats for the goblin and the elf in the 3.5e MM, the elf is barely superior. The goblin actually has more hit pts, has better Hide and Move Silently scores, and has exactly the same AC and attack bonuses. The elf's only real advantages are in using medium-sized weapons that do more damage than the goblin's smaller ones. At night, with the 60' darkvision, the goblin is far superior to the elf.Again, this has little to do with what I was posting about. I was responding specifically to Emirikol's original post and the assertions that &quot;goblins are so incredibly weak as it is&quot; and that &quot;Goblin adventures are barely suitable for a 1st level character, much less as a campaign theme for an entire race.&quot; I was illustrating that goblins don't have to be &quot;incredibly weak&quot; and can be a threat across a wide span of levels. And, as I pointed out above in this post, they aren't that much weaker than elves.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="shilsen, post: 3956445, member: 198"] Which is not something I was disputing. That being said, if you look at the stats for the goblin and the elf in the 3.5e MM, the elf is barely superior. The goblin actually has more hit pts, has better Hide and Move Silently scores, and has exactly the same AC and attack bonuses. The elf's only real advantages are in using medium-sized weapons that do more damage than the goblin's smaller ones. At night, with the 60' darkvision, the goblin is far superior to the elf. Again, this has little to do with what I was posting about. I was responding specifically to Emirikol's original post and the assertions that "goblins are so incredibly weak as it is" and that "Goblin adventures are barely suitable for a 1st level character, much less as a campaign theme for an entire race." I was illustrating that goblins don't have to be "incredibly weak" and can be a threat across a wide span of levels. And, as I pointed out above in this post, they aren't that much weaker than elves. [/QUOTE]

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