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<blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 8295685" data-attributes="member: 6796468"><p>You're the one that brought up pushing a 50cal round through someone, Fenris. Though to be clear: The weaponry used in the Fish study in 1898 was traveling in excess of 450m/s to be classified as "High Velocity". Your use of the 50cal example is over 900m/s. And the pistol in question is going 253m/s.</p><p></p><p>Even if hydrostatic shock weren't a controversial topic of debate, it can hardly be applied to the weapon in question as any evidence for hydrostatic shock requires -much- higher muzzle velocities.</p><p></p><p>Huh... Y'know. That's -really- strange. Here's a period illustration of the battle of Agincourt.</p><p><img src="https://i.pinimg.com/564x/06/bc/e6/06bce661ccedf0cde1e6fbfa53d3cccb.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p>It's SO WEIRD that those archers appear to have swords floating near their hips for no apparent reason 'cause sidearms didn't work for archers...</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying that mixed units weren't important. Or that spearmen/pikemen near archers weren't a thing. They're -very- clearly present in the above illustration.</p><p></p><p>But saying archers didn't have sidearms is just wrong. Archers kept side-arms for when combat went from nice pretty rank and file defense covering them to a pell-mell scrum of chaos and death when longbows went from weapons of death to a useless burden and a sword was the more important weapon in the moment.</p><p></p><p>If turning a Gun into a melee weapon wasn't the point behind bayonets, soldiers could've just kept right on carrying sidearms like those archers at Agincourt.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steampunkette, post: 8295685, member: 6796468"] You're the one that brought up pushing a 50cal round through someone, Fenris. Though to be clear: The weaponry used in the Fish study in 1898 was traveling in excess of 450m/s to be classified as "High Velocity". Your use of the 50cal example is over 900m/s. And the pistol in question is going 253m/s. Even if hydrostatic shock weren't a controversial topic of debate, it can hardly be applied to the weapon in question as any evidence for hydrostatic shock requires -much- higher muzzle velocities. Huh... Y'know. That's -really- strange. Here's a period illustration of the battle of Agincourt. [IMG]https://i.pinimg.com/564x/06/bc/e6/06bce661ccedf0cde1e6fbfa53d3cccb.jpg[/IMG] It's SO WEIRD that those archers appear to have swords floating near their hips for no apparent reason 'cause sidearms didn't work for archers... I'm not saying that mixed units weren't important. Or that spearmen/pikemen near archers weren't a thing. They're -very- clearly present in the above illustration. But saying archers didn't have sidearms is just wrong. Archers kept side-arms for when combat went from nice pretty rank and file defense covering them to a pell-mell scrum of chaos and death when longbows went from weapons of death to a useless burden and a sword was the more important weapon in the moment. If turning a Gun into a melee weapon wasn't the point behind bayonets, soldiers could've just kept right on carrying sidearms like those archers at Agincourt. [/QUOTE]
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