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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 8295862" data-attributes="member: 6796468">Yeah... No. I had the 414m/s information and then was keyed in to the 253m/s by a friend looking for the same material, a fact which I posted in this thread before revising the values using the online calculators to handle the math. Cool, though, that you skimmed the thread.And I'll notice that the problem I raised, and have continued to raise, with McCrae's study, is the gunpowder. Which you've ignored, again, and declared the 385m/s more accurate than the period-appropriate test. That's cooool... It's almost like you're not actually reading what I'm typing and just responding off the cuff."Pretty Typical". At Hastings in 1066 Archers were poor farmer conscripts. By 1415's Agincourt they were -paid- 6 pennies per day. 9 pounds a year. Not enough to get themselves helmets in short order much less the Maille and Coifs they're clearly wearing in the 15th century artwork I previously provided. Look a bit closer.[SPOILER="Repost of Art"]<img src="https://i.pinimg.com/564x/06/bc/e6/06bce661ccedf0cde1e6fbfa53d3cccb.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />[/SPOILER]By the 16th Century Artistic License had definitely crept in. Here's the Archers wearing Plate. No Side-Swords, though.<img src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/G2GChPmg5XeS6DANX4gyskQOfTXCVfvb2qSv3NaQnUgxk59WbAhXA7d5rasSrzKoMKth9_hhmQgoq7kL0EdJE17nso4rTREPycievY9b0eIgghmnH_mEyP72Gyx8lx8yH3E8UDYE-7xB2RsGRDYeLLR8zg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " data-size="" style="" />And yes. There -had- to be some sort of large forgeworks to supply these armies with all the mail and metal they are shown to wear. I'm not remotely disputing that. I'm only saying that it still cost enough money and that the 6p per day archers probably wouldn't have been able to afford it on their own. So the "Bring your own gear" thing was pretty accurate at Hastings, but vastly less so at Agincourt.It's definitely a thing. To get into the deeper REASONS that I previously noted?In the Ashen Lands settings Sorcerer-Kings have held power for thousands of years. Bloodlines ordained by the Gods, as well as Dragons and other Entities, have ruled over different parts of the world through their magical primacy. Wizards became a thing as people studied the Sorcerers and learned how to interact with Arcane Magic.But those Sorcerer-Kings wanted to retain power, and since Magic was the core of their power, they did their best to control how it was disseminated through control of Colleges and Academies of Magic to ensure only the wealthy, connected, or noble would have access to that power. In this world, anyone smart enough to read the texts or learn the gestures and funny words can perform magic. So this was the only way to contain it.Though the Sorcerer-Kings have been deposed at this point, for the -most- part, the nobility is still doing it's best to control power that might wind up in the hands of the People and allow them to upend society into a more democratic situation. So to retain power they're using the Magic Schools and such to ensure their superiority over the common man. So Guns, and to a lesser extent crossbows, are kind of a big deal since a minimally trained force armed with enough of either could revolt successfully, even against the Warmages.But they also haven't gotten to a point where they need armies of the hundreds or even tens of thousands, due to the preponderance of Adventurers to handle problems like Dragons or fight small proxy-wars that have much less collateral damage.So for now, mass production of such weapons just isn't a thing, yet.</blockquote>

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