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<blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 8297597" data-attributes="member: 6796468"><p>And if you had the numbers for archers versus swordsmen you would result in more people being killed by arrows than swords. Does that mean an arrow is more lethal than a sword? No it means that you can kill people with an arrow before they get close enough to use a sword.</p><p></p><p>You cannot control for such factors in real-world encounters throughout history. What you can do is simulate damage and compare the simulated damage.</p><p></p><p>And when you compare simulated damage the results are largely similar, though far from identical.</p><p></p><p>A bullet that strikes you in a non-vital part of your body will not kill you. A sword which strikes you in a nonvital part of your body will not kill you. That isn't a question! It's also not a question of how many shots does it take compared to how many bullets does it take to hit a vital organ.</p><p></p><p>The question in this thread is about the amount of damage dealt to the human body. That is to say the size of the wound channel whether from a sword, a spear, or a lead ball.</p><p></p><p>I get that you really like guns! I get that you know in your heart of hearts that they are way more lethal than a sword. That is all well and good. But at the end of the day a 4 cm diameter hole with an 8 centimeter diameter cylinder of damaged tissue around it, which is what we all saw in the video that you linked, is exactly what you're going to get out of that gun for the purposes of any discussion of the damage that it deals.</p><p></p><p>That is the damage that we must try to compare to simulated damage from a long sword, or a short sword, or a spear! Trying to compare modern weapons to that, or numbers of deaths from various wars, or other things that are not particularly relevant does not help us come to a conclusion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steampunkette, post: 8297597, member: 6796468"] And if you had the numbers for archers versus swordsmen you would result in more people being killed by arrows than swords. Does that mean an arrow is more lethal than a sword? No it means that you can kill people with an arrow before they get close enough to use a sword. You cannot control for such factors in real-world encounters throughout history. What you can do is simulate damage and compare the simulated damage. And when you compare simulated damage the results are largely similar, though far from identical. A bullet that strikes you in a non-vital part of your body will not kill you. A sword which strikes you in a nonvital part of your body will not kill you. That isn't a question! It's also not a question of how many shots does it take compared to how many bullets does it take to hit a vital organ. The question in this thread is about the amount of damage dealt to the human body. That is to say the size of the wound channel whether from a sword, a spear, or a lead ball. I get that you really like guns! I get that you know in your heart of hearts that they are way more lethal than a sword. That is all well and good. But at the end of the day a 4 cm diameter hole with an 8 centimeter diameter cylinder of damaged tissue around it, which is what we all saw in the video that you linked, is exactly what you're going to get out of that gun for the purposes of any discussion of the damage that it deals. That is the damage that we must try to compare to simulated damage from a long sword, or a short sword, or a spear! Trying to compare modern weapons to that, or numbers of deaths from various wars, or other things that are not particularly relevant does not help us come to a conclusion. [/QUOTE]
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