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<blockquote data-quote="Steampunkette" data-source="post: 8301992" data-attributes="member: 6796468"><p>You're not -entirely- wrong. But that Curassier was ALSO wielding guns. Two Wheellock Pistols and a saber. And I guess his $1,350 didn't include bullets, either.</p><p></p><p>Also they were both Cavalry Units. Essentially "Heavy" and "Light" cavalry that were contemporaries.</p><p></p><p>Though I am a little curious about the "Armor" that you keep referencing. I can't find access to the Pfaffenbichler, Matthias, Medieval Craftsmen, Armourers, 1992, Toronto book on short notice, but I did look at a review of some of the contents. Including a specific mention of the kind of armor sales you're referencing which took place in 1321 under the auspices of Frederick the Lombard.</p><p></p><p>He managed to pull off 6,000 shields, 3,000 helmets, and 4,000 maille shirts to entirely equip a fleet! That's a lot. Very impressive! But.</p><p></p><p>It's not a full suit of plate armor like the one you show above. Which includes the Maille Shirt that Lombard sold, as well as the helmets. See, with a maille shirt one size kinda -does- fit all, you just make it in the big size and everyone else rolls up their overly long sleeves and ties them down with belts at the wrist to keep the chainmail from rolling down over their hands. Or you can just rivet them into place. Or use a piece of rope looped through the rings. Or any number of other options.</p><p></p><p>Now that's not to say that sheet-plate wasn't a thing. It -absolutely- was. But it was lower-quality by -far-. And as the quantity and quality of metal required to stop a musketball went up compared to the quantity and quality required to stop an arrow things declined quickly. Not the quantity so much, but the quality.</p><p></p><p>As production rates went up, the amount of time required to make a given amount of iron into steel didn't really change. So the armorers started "Fining" armor. That is making a naughty word iron breastplate very quickly through a Blast Furnace, then attempting to refine it into steel. That mostly resulted in low-quality steel or moderate quality wrought iron. Both of which require even more thickness to stop a bullet because they lack the hardness of a mid or high quality steel. Which was more expensive.</p><p></p><p>And so yo-oh... Hey... I got McCrae'd.</p><p></p><p>The mass produced plate-armors of the early 1500s were naughty word, naughty word, heavy metal to get the same protection as a high quality lighter armor, which was too expensive, especially for big armies. So they gave up on it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steampunkette, post: 8301992, member: 6796468"] You're not -entirely- wrong. But that Curassier was ALSO wielding guns. Two Wheellock Pistols and a saber. And I guess his $1,350 didn't include bullets, either. Also they were both Cavalry Units. Essentially "Heavy" and "Light" cavalry that were contemporaries. Though I am a little curious about the "Armor" that you keep referencing. I can't find access to the Pfaffenbichler, Matthias, Medieval Craftsmen, Armourers, 1992, Toronto book on short notice, but I did look at a review of some of the contents. Including a specific mention of the kind of armor sales you're referencing which took place in 1321 under the auspices of Frederick the Lombard. He managed to pull off 6,000 shields, 3,000 helmets, and 4,000 maille shirts to entirely equip a fleet! That's a lot. Very impressive! But. It's not a full suit of plate armor like the one you show above. Which includes the Maille Shirt that Lombard sold, as well as the helmets. See, with a maille shirt one size kinda -does- fit all, you just make it in the big size and everyone else rolls up their overly long sleeves and ties them down with belts at the wrist to keep the chainmail from rolling down over their hands. Or you can just rivet them into place. Or use a piece of rope looped through the rings. Or any number of other options. Now that's not to say that sheet-plate wasn't a thing. It -absolutely- was. But it was lower-quality by -far-. And as the quantity and quality of metal required to stop a musketball went up compared to the quantity and quality required to stop an arrow things declined quickly. Not the quantity so much, but the quality. As production rates went up, the amount of time required to make a given amount of iron into steel didn't really change. So the armorers started "Fining" armor. That is making a naughty word iron breastplate very quickly through a Blast Furnace, then attempting to refine it into steel. That mostly resulted in low-quality steel or moderate quality wrought iron. Both of which require even more thickness to stop a bullet because they lack the hardness of a mid or high quality steel. Which was more expensive. And so yo-oh... Hey... I got McCrae'd. The mass produced plate-armors of the early 1500s were naughty word, naughty word, heavy metal to get the same protection as a high quality lighter armor, which was too expensive, especially for big armies. So they gave up on it. [/QUOTE]
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