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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GrimCo" data-source="post: 9596060" data-attributes="member: 7044462">Sure. But 5e high level characters ( tier 4) are powerhouses. Now, depending on the type of setting you run, those kind of characters can be so exceptionally rare that everyone knows about them (think Hercules level) and only very brave and very stupid try to mess with them. In a setting a la FR, where high level characters are dime a dozen and epic++ level characters roam around, sure, level 16 fighter is no big deal in grand scheme of things. I tend to run first kind of settings, where there are maybe dozen or so tier 4 characters in entire setting plus PCs, and most elites are in high tier 2 (like best fighter in the kingdom might be level 5-6, best on the continent might be 9-10). And then you have level 17-18 fighter PC who can b**ch slap them with one arm drunk. And to be honest, my players (and me as a player) tend to play more antihero characters who never heard of Geneva convention. So mess with them or someone they love and care and see meteor swarm hit your home village in retaliation. Plane level threats are just there so to have reason why they fight outsiders and such. There really aren't any vanilla humanoid CR15+ monsters, let alone CR20+.</blockquote>