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<blockquote data-quote="J-H" data-source="post: 9596159" data-attributes="member: 7020951">You don't have to.My previous 13-20 campaign (Against the Idol of the Sun, campaign log on GITP) stayed on the material plane.&nbsp; They fought a bunch of humanoid enemies (Aarakocra) with class levels, killed the avatar of their god, etc.&nbsp; The toughest battles were set pieces at each of the temples (they attacked those to slow down the avatar gaining power), with altars that cast spells at intruders until disrupted (stabbing them with a specific weapon, or two or three other methods).&nbsp; One cast Finger of Death every round.&nbsp; Another did a variant Earthquake where the crevasses would snap shut on anyone who fell in after 1 round.&nbsp; I'd have to look up the other two after a while.&nbsp; They were plenty challenged without going someplace more exotic than Aarakocra+Yuan-ti that vaguely resembled Mesoamerica.If my current campaign proceeds into Throne of Bhaal, they will be in the realms, facing foes with minions such as Fire Giants, high-level monks or mercenaries with +2 gear, drow with class levels + mind flayers + beholders, and the like.If the complaint is &quot;You have to g outside the MM to do that!&quot; then, yes.&nbsp; I always go outside the MM at least some of the time.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="J-H, post: 9596159, member: 7020951"] You don't have to. My previous 13-20 campaign (Against the Idol of the Sun, campaign log on GITP) stayed on the material plane. They fought a bunch of humanoid enemies (Aarakocra) with class levels, killed the avatar of their god, etc. The toughest battles were set pieces at each of the temples (they attacked those to slow down the avatar gaining power), with altars that cast spells at intruders until disrupted (stabbing them with a specific weapon, or two or three other methods). One cast Finger of Death every round. Another did a variant Earthquake where the crevasses would snap shut on anyone who fell in after 1 round. I'd have to look up the other two after a while. They were plenty challenged without going someplace more exotic than Aarakocra+Yuan-ti that vaguely resembled Mesoamerica. If my current campaign proceeds into Throne of Bhaal, they will be in the realms, facing foes with minions such as Fire Giants, high-level monks or mercenaries with +2 gear, drow with class levels + mind flayers + beholders, and the like. If the complaint is "You have to g outside the MM to do that!" then, yes. I always go outside the MM at least some of the time. [/QUOTE]

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