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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9600975" data-attributes="member: 93670">Going to agree with this and give an example of that specific bit.&nbsp; Mearls recently did a q&amp;a/interview where he mentioned the <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/hot-take-d-d-has-not-recovered-from-2e-to-3-0-transition.693849/post-8861111" target="_blank">old dc chart</a> that did not have a dc for climbing a wall covered with butter.&nbsp; While his example could have been thinking of dc30 climbing a slick wall, it overlooks the important part of that particular dc30 example where the &quot;who could do it&quot; was listed as &quot;a high level barbarian&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; Climbing a slick wall might be a niche edge case, but having a group that contains a &quot;high level barbarian&quot; is very much not. With 5e they kept&quot;high level barbarian&quot; but decided that there really should never be a situation where a skill check that a party faces would need one and even less so for a high roll sided with help from the party's respective contributions to be needed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 9600975, member: 93670"] Going to agree with this and give an example of that specific bit. Mearls recently did a q&a/interview where he mentioned the [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/hot-take-d-d-has-not-recovered-from-2e-to-3-0-transition.693849/post-8861111']old dc chart[/URL] that did not have a dc for climbing a wall covered with butter. While his example could have been thinking of dc30 climbing a slick wall, it overlooks the important part of that particular dc30 example where the "who could do it" was listed as "a high level barbarian". Climbing a slick wall might be a niche edge case, but having a group that contains a "high level barbarian" is very much not. With 5e they kept"high level barbarian" but decided that there really should never be a situation where a skill check that a party faces would [I]need[/I] one and even less so for a high roll sided with help from the party's respective contributions to be needed. [/QUOTE]

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