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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DeZwarteMaan" data-source="post: 6298834" data-attributes="member: 6678769">Craziness?!?!?!Why did ya'll even allow that hogwash?Here is what some of my Comrades did. When You Lose a level, you lose HP's, skills and ability scores related to that lost level, but your mind still has affinity for the things you lost. When a restoration occurs, you get everything back as it was. So in the DND version where the magic item allowed retro, taking it off and putting it back on would not reset a darn thing. You'd need to leave it off a whole level progression(lets say gain level and then 1 more fully) before your skills would reset. Keeps pc's from tweaking and being just inane tarts.Pearls of wisdom have to be worn...how long before they impart the Wisdom +1? Right a long freaking time. Same benefits should occur with any other item, as it slowly opens you mind to the deeper thinking... But to remove such benefit... it weans over time... a level drain is a undead stealing part of your soul.... but you heal it back and get your old character sheet back with restore or gaining the level back the hard way. But taking a item off and trying the canadian border hop.. i'm in  i'm out... etc just doesnt fly.Now the newer games don't give skills with Magic items, Hp gains are bonus hp... that when you lose the item with damage... you can kill yourself it low hp when it's removed. -1 and someone takes your Con +2 item off and you were 10th level,. oops.  They arent Temps.. they are hard pool and come off the bottom, not top.Gaining a permanent stat should give you the benefits retroactively. Your brain has opened to a new level of life.  Let's say you are a Half-Orc with 6 INT, and you're getting 1-2 skills per level if you are lucky, based on class... And by whatever means you get your real stat INT to 12... you gain skills from the accomplishment... slowly over time you start to remember more details, spell better, read better,,.. comprehension takes in and damn... you become a pretty smart Half-Orc.Retroactive has it's place an reasoning.... losing a level shouldnt change a damn thing on skills... you hold the character sheet and when they get the level back.. they get their same sheet back. no skills changed.</blockquote>

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