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<blockquote data-quote="DM-Rocco" data-source="post: 3671975" data-attributes="member: 14451">WTF?You beat me to this with your response.&nbsp; How is that a minor speed bump for an 8th level party?Plus, you might, as a 1st level party, kill one or two stragglers from the hobgoblin party but you can do nothing but run (not even in terror because you will make too much noise).&nbsp; Unless you are a human with 18 CHR, skill focus diplomacy, 4 ranks in diplomacy, negotiator feat for a total of +13 in diplomacy, somehow manage to approach through rock throwing distance and get within yelling distance, roll a 20 on a diplomacy check (twenty minutes) on both groups of 50 hobgoblins.&nbsp; Of course they will have to roll a 1 on an opposed check.&nbsp; Assuming the hobgoblins are indifferent towards the PC, this would move them to helpful.&nbsp; Then have then form up into two mobs using the PHBII, drop all gear, other than weapons, and attack the firegiant. Sit back and enjoy.&nbsp; Of course, you have to hope the fire giant is amused at the attepmt and doesn't squash you while you try this and you have a DM who would allow such a dump thing, otherwise, resort to running.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DM-Rocco, post: 3671975, member: 14451"] WTF? You beat me to this with your response. How is that a minor speed bump for an 8th level party? Plus, you might, as a 1st level party, kill one or two stragglers from the hobgoblin party but you can do nothing but run (not even in terror because you will make too much noise). Unless you are a human with 18 CHR, skill focus diplomacy, 4 ranks in diplomacy, negotiator feat for a total of +13 in diplomacy, somehow manage to approach through rock throwing distance and get within yelling distance, roll a 20 on a diplomacy check (twenty minutes) on both groups of 50 hobgoblins. Of course they will have to roll a 1 on an opposed check. Assuming the hobgoblins are indifferent towards the PC, this would move them to helpful. Then have then form up into two mobs using the PHBII, drop all gear, other than weapons, and attack the firegiant. Sit back and enjoy. Of course, you have to hope the fire giant is amused at the attepmt and doesn't squash you while you try this and you have a DM who would allow such a dump thing, otherwise, resort to running. [/QUOTE]

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