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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 2183038" data-attributes="member: 4937">Psion: I don't think anyone here is saying that you are wrong to play the way that you do.&nbsp; They are merely pointing out the likely reasons most DM's avoid planar games.&nbsp;&nbsp; You can argue however you like that with this modification or other the standard cosmology can be changed to better suit campaigning 'out there', but that doesn't alter the fact that the cosmology as it is usually present isn't conducive to campaigning.How many times has the issue of scale come up in this thread already?&nbsp; Think of it as the Star Wars problem.&nbsp; You've got a whole galaxy of interesting planetary cultures each of which is as complex and diverse as the real Earth.&nbsp;&nbsp; But since this is far more work than any one DM can manage, the whole of a planet ends up getting represented as the interior of a particular bar or a particular space dock or a few acres of swamp (or whatever).&nbsp;&nbsp; Most people would rather spend thier time detailing one setting in great depth, than paint whole planes with such a broad brush.&nbsp;&nbsp; Most DM's only grab the planes as a device when they need an 'anti-setting' and the device of the otherworldly portal conveys to the character 'Don't expect everything to work just like it does in the regular setting that I've been carefully constructing'.&nbsp;&nbsp; Either that or they need a place to safely store a being of extreme danger.Now, you don't have to use planes in that way.&nbsp; I'm not saying its wrong to use them in some other way.&nbsp;&nbsp; But I'm saying that my sense is that it is relatively rare that they are used in some other way.&nbsp; I mean, as great and original as the Planescape setting was, it got freaking dropped.&nbsp;&nbsp; Ditto Ravenloft.&nbsp;&nbsp; If that was really the standard fare, it would have been more popular.&nbsp; Sure there are lots of fans of those settings, and many more who admire them even if they don't use them, but they aren't the most common way to do things&nbsp; - not in Eberron, not in Greyhawk, not in Krynn, not in Faerun, and not in Athas.&nbsp;&nbsp; Those settings may well feature extra-planar portals and adventures of note (Queen of the Demonweb pits, Throne of Bloodstone), but generally when they do it only helps prove my point.It's a fantasy.&nbsp; Do you ever have to deal with those pesky rules of reality?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 2183038, member: 4937"] Psion: I don't think anyone here is saying that you are wrong to play the way that you do. They are merely pointing out the likely reasons most DM's avoid planar games. You can argue however you like that with this modification or other the standard cosmology can be changed to better suit campaigning 'out there', but that doesn't alter the fact that the cosmology as it is usually present isn't conducive to campaigning. How many times has the issue of scale come up in this thread already? Think of it as the Star Wars problem. You've got a whole galaxy of interesting planetary cultures each of which is as complex and diverse as the real Earth. But since this is far more work than any one DM can manage, the whole of a planet ends up getting represented as the interior of a particular bar or a particular space dock or a few acres of swamp (or whatever). Most people would rather spend thier time detailing one setting in great depth, than paint whole planes with such a broad brush. Most DM's only grab the planes as a device when they need an 'anti-setting' and the device of the otherworldly portal conveys to the character 'Don't expect everything to work just like it does in the regular setting that I've been carefully constructing'. Either that or they need a place to safely store a being of extreme danger. Now, you don't have to use planes in that way. I'm not saying its wrong to use them in some other way. But I'm saying that my sense is that it is relatively rare that they are used in some other way. I mean, as great and original as the Planescape setting was, it got freaking dropped. Ditto Ravenloft. If that was really the standard fare, it would have been more popular. Sure there are lots of fans of those settings, and many more who admire them even if they don't use them, but they aren't the most common way to do things - not in Eberron, not in Greyhawk, not in Krynn, not in Faerun, and not in Athas. Those settings may well feature extra-planar portals and adventures of note (Queen of the Demonweb pits, Throne of Bloodstone), but generally when they do it only helps prove my point. It's a fantasy. Do you ever have to deal with those pesky rules of reality? [/QUOTE]

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