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<blockquote data-quote="eyebeams" data-source="post: 2998949" data-attributes="member: 9225">Not so much. When it comes down to it, scripting ain't much different from strike ranks/intiative phases, which were part of AD&amp;D's segment rules.Not especially. All of them have additional bells and whistles compared to Strike (like Power vs. Power for Lock), whic the combat mechanics clearly set as the core form of attack. Strike is the maneuver that conforms to the fundamental combat mechanics; the others you mention contain the same exceptionalities, bels and whistles that most games do.The interesting thing there is that grappling is a part of the core skillset of ARMA and reconstructed European martial arts. AEMMA's curriculum starts with grappling and it;s derived from a verifiable historical tradition, making the principles of grappling more fundamental to period combat.It should be interesting. I like The Burning Wheel. In fact, the only major problems it seems to have seem to be mostly derived from revision after contact with the Forge . . .Regarding the first part of your post, you are sounding surprisingly close to Ron's counterpart.&nbsp; All you really had to do is answer my question &quot;Or people that wrote the games at one point or another played D&amp;D?&quot; with &quot;Yes.&quot;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>Not necessarily. D&amp;D is back there in the chain, but someone doesn't need to absorb its values through D&amp;D. They just need to play a game that inherits those values.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE="eyebeams, post: 2998949, member: 9225"] Not so much. When it comes down to it, scripting ain't much different from strike ranks/intiative phases, which were part of AD&D's segment rules. Not especially. All of them have additional bells and whistles compared to Strike (like Power vs. Power for Lock), whic the combat mechanics clearly set as the core form of attack. Strike is the maneuver that conforms to the fundamental combat mechanics; the others you mention contain the same exceptionalities, bels and whistles that most games do. The interesting thing there is that grappling is a part of the core skillset of ARMA and reconstructed European martial arts. AEMMA's curriculum starts with grappling and it;s derived from a verifiable historical tradition, making the principles of grappling more fundamental to period combat. It should be interesting. I like The Burning Wheel. In fact, the only major problems it seems to have seem to be mostly derived from revision after contact with the Forge . . . Regarding the first part of your post, you are sounding surprisingly close to Ron's counterpart. All you really had to do is answer my question "Or people that wrote the games at one point or another played D&D?" with "Yes." :) ;)[/QUOTE] Not necessarily. D&D is back there in the chain, but someone doesn't need to absorb its values through D&D. They just need to play a game that inherits those values. [/QUOTE]

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