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Message: <blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 4373377" data-attributes="member: 35909">Odd indeed.  Dwarves fit everyy single one of your complaints, after all.  They are just as tired and old a concept as elves.  Dwarves are a bunchy of greedy, drunken, xenophobic, bitter, miserable jerks who live in crowded dank little s&#t-holes underground.  "I've never seen <s>elves</s> dwarves presented in any campaign setting in such a way that they wouldn't be more appealing as spitted and roasting over an orc campfire."  Of course, Orcs are the masters of barbeque and can make anything smell good over a fire, so maybe it's just that.  And as for fanboys, dwarf fanboys are annoying because they all play out the exact same stereotypes, thinking they're so clever each time.  Of course, there aren't even that many dwarf fanboys (see below).QFT.  The reason so many hate elves is ecause elves as a race are one of the singly most enduring and captivating concepts in all of fantasy, and that just drives some people nuts.  In 3E, dwarves were horribly broken and elves a tad weak, yet I still saw far more elf PCs than dwarf ones, even from powergamers.  And I'm not counting racial variant elves.  core ones alone.  Cause the fact is...dwarves are a lame, boring concept, and no matter how much gold paint you place over turd, it's still turd.As for the "Baskin Robins" argument, this is a lie.  Someone on the WotC boards did a count of race variants in 3E, and dwarves ended up having more flavors than elves.  So, can we finally drop this insipid complaint?Whew, ok.  Now then, I like Elves.  I also like Dwarves.  One of my favorite characters was a dwarf cleric that purposefully fit all the dwarf stereotypes (except drinking, none of my characters do that).  It's viscerally fun to play the "low charisma, and proud of it!" jerk who's actually a good guy.  Just like it's sometimes fun to play the aloof elf wizard who thinks the other races are inferior.  I'm just sick of seeing only one of these tropes getting trashed so mercilessly.</blockquote>

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