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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Levistus's_Leviathan" data-source="post: 8684101" data-attributes="member: 7023887">Do you think I'm angry? No, I'm not angry. For most of this thread, I've just been confused. I mean, the core premise of the thread is that I'm confused about why people hate them so much more often than other races. I'm just kind of baffled why gnomes of all races are the ones that get mocked most commonly on the internet. More than Kender, more than Kenku, more than Grung, more than anything else. And I'm baffled when people give reasons why they hate them that are applicable to basically every other race in the game or just aren't accurate in the first place. I don't care if you think gnomes should be a dwarf subrace, or halfling subrace, or elf subrace, or anything else. Why would I? Has anyone tried to prove in this thread that they aren't dwarves? I mean, in the other gnome thread, a lot of people (including me) have even admitted that the only reason they're not elves/dwarves (like Snow White's Dwarves or Santa's Elves) is that D&D uses Tolkien's versions of those races and Gnomes were created to fill the niche ignored by Tolkien's Elves/Dwarves.  I don't like that D&D's races are as convoluted and redundant as they are any more than you do. I just like Gnomes. I don't care if Gnomes are called Dwarves or Elves or Halflings or anything else. So long as they're playable in one form or the other, I'd be happy. The same applies to other races. I don't care if Halflings just become a subtype of Humans. I would actually like it if Kenku, Owlin, and Aarakocra were all combined into one "Birdfolk" race with 3 different subraces with different lore. In my homebrew setting, I have combined Gnomes and Halflings because I can see their redundancies. I think Halflings are boring, so combining them with Gnomes to make them more interesting is a win in my book. So, my confusion continues. Apparently, you think people in this thread that like gnomes are angry at the people that dislike them*. On the contrary (at least for me, I obviously can't speak for other people that like Gnomes). I like Gnomes more than just about any other official race in the game (except Warforged), and I would be perfectly fine with them being absorbed by another race if they're too similar. So long as there's something similar enough to capture the joy of playing a Gnome. This thread is just my confusion about why Gnomes are hated/mocked so commonly. Not me trying to convince anyone else that they're wrong for hating gnomes, trying to get others to like them, or keep them a separate race from Halflings/Elves/Dwarves. * I know that this is true in a lot of other cases, <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/my-problem-s-with-halflings-and-how-to-create-engaging-interesting-fantasy-races.680617/" target="_blank">where people have debated for hundreds of pages about why their favorite race absolutely has to be a separate race mechanically and culturally from another race that is really similar</a>. And, honestly, that's kind of depressing/baffling to me. I'm anti-redundancy. If something is redundant with something else, I'd way rather combine it with that thing than fight to have them be separate. This applies even if I really, really love the thing that is redundant with something else. </blockquote>

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