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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8684110" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Really? Examples please. Of D&D style gnomes in pop culture that people have actually read or heard about. Sorry, some Middle Ages that no one outside of folklore professors has even heard of don't count.</p><p></p><p>Because, from where I'm standing, gnomes have zero presense. No major elements in most settings (Eberron and Krynn being exceptions), no major presence in genre fiction - can you name 3 gnomes in a fantasy story written in the last 50 years that wasn't D&D Branded?</p><p></p><p>So, I don't think it can be "easily" disproven.</p><p></p><p>What can be proven is that gnomes have never been very popular, barely appear anywhere in the game, and are largely a vestigial hang on only included because they happened to appear in the 1e PHB.</p><p></p><p>I mean, heck, you brought up that other thread about Halflings - and my argument here is the same as it was there. If something in the game doesn't actually get used, or is only barely used, it's time to eject it in favor of something else that actually DOES get used. </p><p></p><p>Gnomes and Halflings are the Polearms Table of 5e. Sure, it's interesting. Sure, it's got some historical ties, but, at the end of the day, the game is a lot better for ejecting 99% of the polearms and rolling them up into two or three weapons. </p><p></p><p>Sorry, but, I'd much rather see D&D actually evolve to address what people actually want - hey, we lost gnomes for an edition and got Dragonborn -one of the most popular races in the game - instead of catering to a tiny slice of people who can still have what they want - you can include the race stats for anything in the Monster Manual, it's not that hard.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 8684110, member: 22779"] Really? Examples please. Of D&D style gnomes in pop culture that people have actually read or heard about. Sorry, some Middle Ages that no one outside of folklore professors has even heard of don't count. Because, from where I'm standing, gnomes have zero presense. No major elements in most settings (Eberron and Krynn being exceptions), no major presence in genre fiction - can you name 3 gnomes in a fantasy story written in the last 50 years that wasn't D&D Branded? So, I don't think it can be "easily" disproven. What can be proven is that gnomes have never been very popular, barely appear anywhere in the game, and are largely a vestigial hang on only included because they happened to appear in the 1e PHB. I mean, heck, you brought up that other thread about Halflings - and my argument here is the same as it was there. If something in the game doesn't actually get used, or is only barely used, it's time to eject it in favor of something else that actually DOES get used. Gnomes and Halflings are the Polearms Table of 5e. Sure, it's interesting. Sure, it's got some historical ties, but, at the end of the day, the game is a lot better for ejecting 99% of the polearms and rolling them up into two or three weapons. Sorry, but, I'd much rather see D&D actually evolve to address what people actually want - hey, we lost gnomes for an edition and got Dragonborn -one of the most popular races in the game - instead of catering to a tiny slice of people who can still have what they want - you can include the race stats for anything in the Monster Manual, it's not that hard. [/QUOTE]
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