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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8685323" data-attributes="member: 6801228">I think what is most frustrating about this discussion is that I will point out a direction towards the destination, and then you tell me that we haven't reached the destination yet. For my answer to "where should we go" you essentially said "You are right, but we aren't there yet." Which... yes, if we should go in that direction, we haven't arrived at the destination. Maybe there is a headwind, but people figured out how to sail into headwinds and reach their destinations. So, yes, we haven't reached the destination yet. Gnomes are not yet regarded well because of lingering resentments and not enough portrayals of them in interesting ways. But the ways they are portrayed are increasing, the lingering resentments are fading, and we are moving in the right direction it seems to me, as shown by the examples I provided. Have these things changed everything? No. But maybe they inspire the work that does change everything. Or maybe things slowly just slide into that direction.I haven't talked about WoW because I don't know WoW. But, here is something I'm picking up from your post. All those gnomes being used for comic relief are being done so by saying "and then they failed". But WoW has a massive audience of millions. People love WoW gnomes. What happens when those people, who love the funny "and then they failed" stop and think "But what if they didn't?" This is why I pointed out early on "They are the comic relief" doesn't feel like a major downside. We need comic relief sometimes. And comic relief characters can be heartfelt and have serious stories. Additionally, Gnomes fail and things blow up... and they dust themselves off and try again. I've only ever heard or seen a handful of stories where a gnome gives up. And sure, it is because of the humor, it is because "ah, you fool, you never learn from your folly". But can you tell me that the story of a person who fails yet never gives up on their dreams is a pure comedy with no weight? Obviously not. So, yeah, right now Gnomes are comedy relief. In part this is because they are required to fail. If they didn't fail, then technology would be spreading, and that doesn't fly with the people still holding onto an anti-technology bias. But this is far from an insurmountable problem, and you just said at the very beginning, you can see this trend shifting over the next 10 to 30 years. And once they are not forced to fail, then they are no longer purely comedy, and you can see them start to shine more brightly.Second-breakfast and various "they eat a lot" jokes not-withstanding I suppose. Personally, I think that gnomes offer more to halflings than halflings offer to gnomes, but I'm not against merging them together. They do "fit" to a degree since physically they look the same and everything else is down to personality.</blockquote>

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