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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 9737094" data-attributes="member: 4937">It doesn't even have to be remotely imminent.&nbsp; Assuming that you can grasp infinity, then all you have to teach is, &quot;We will inevitably win in a finite amount of time.&quot;&nbsp; For example, an evil cult might say, &quot;Eventually nonexistence will triumph over existence.&nbsp; The heat death of the universe is real.&nbsp; We can guarantee you non-existence on your own terms, as either someone who obtains a painless as possible non-existence as early as you desire if you are rationally tired of all this crap, or as someone who is among the last to live in any sort of comfort while all the rest of them are writhing as insane ghosts, gnawing on themselves for sensation in a futile attempt to feel something.&nbsp; Imagine that the eventual afterlife of everyone was souls have no gravity and when they die they just float off the earth to be left alone eternally in the void of space, unfathomable distances away from anything, the ultimate sensory deprivation, left alone with only your thoughts, no sound, little light, change too unfathomably slow to notice, no heat, no anything for all eternity.&nbsp; Then someone tells you, &quot;This is the thing the gods of good won't tell you, that even if they can manage for a thousand years or hundred thousands years to stave off the dying of the light, it's inevitable in the end.&nbsp; It's just the way the universe works.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 9737094, member: 4937"] It doesn't even have to be remotely imminent. Assuming that you can grasp infinity, then all you have to teach is, "We will inevitably win in a finite amount of time." For example, an evil cult might say, "Eventually nonexistence will triumph over existence. The heat death of the universe is real. We can guarantee you non-existence on your own terms, as either someone who obtains a painless as possible non-existence as early as you desire if you are rationally tired of all this crap, or as someone who is among the last to live in any sort of comfort while all the rest of them are writhing as insane ghosts, gnawing on themselves for sensation in a futile attempt to feel something. Imagine that the eventual afterlife of everyone was souls have no gravity and when they die they just float off the earth to be left alone eternally in the void of space, unfathomable distances away from anything, the ultimate sensory deprivation, left alone with only your thoughts, no sound, little light, change too unfathomably slow to notice, no heat, no anything for all eternity. Then someone tells you, "This is the thing the gods of good won't tell you, that even if they can manage for a thousand years or hundred thousands years to stave off the dying of the light, it's inevitable in the end. It's just the way the universe works." [/QUOTE]

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