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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sword of Spirit" data-source="post: 9739399" data-attributes="member: 6677017">I know what you're talking about. I like to define selfish as seeking what you want at the expense of others. If it isn't at the expense of others (or is actually for their benefit also, and peehaps you know that...and the subtleties can just keep going). The funny thing is, while one of my friends liked to simplify 3e evil alignment to "selfish", when I just grabbed my book and looked it up, that doesn't really seem to be emphasized. Or at least, it does look like they are focusing on the self-centered at the expense of other aspect from what I'm seeing in my PHB.One of my favorite things that they did was to say that the typical human is neutral on both axes. Someone who loves their family, helps their friends, tries to be honest, and minds their own business when it comes to other people is probably just neutral. Being good or evil, lawful or chaotic, makes you an outlier. "Extreme" is probably too strong of a word, but you definitely have to earn your alignment by being different. The 1e idea that the typical human was LG makes it all weird. Neutral was this weird space in-between that was less common than L,C,G,E. But by 3e defining neutral-neutral as the normal human baseline it gives it excellent utility. Now alignment can be looked at as how you may differ from the human norm that is hopefully familiar to players. If someone wants to play a good character, well, think of what makes someone stand out as above the norm in being good in the real world (and the book gives examples especially suitable for adventurers), and be like that.</blockquote>

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