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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9750078" data-attributes="member: 42582">I don't think alignment contributes any sophistication to moral thinking in play, for the reason that I already posted in this thread: it characterises all the major moral outlooks/approaches as good, and hence has nothing to say about disagreements between them.In my own play experience, I found that abandoning GM-adjudicated alignment did open up space, in play, for more sophistication in how players thought about what might be the right thing for their PC to do.The scenarios described here seem pretty strange to me - the players are making up that Grog or Jorgund is chaotic neutral because &quot;that sounds great&quot; and they &quot;like the sound&quot; of it; yet the GM is seriously adjudicating the meaning of alignment. That seems to be a pretty big mis-match in approaches to and expectations of play!But why do we need objective/impartial evaluation? Why does it matter how a character's alignment is classified? (I know why it mattered in D&amp;D/AD&amp;D as played 45+ years ago; but I don't think that approach is very common today.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 9750078, member: 42582"] I don't think alignment contributes any sophistication to moral thinking in play, for the reason that I already posted in this thread: it characterises all the major moral outlooks/approaches as [I]good[/I], and hence has nothing to say about disagreements between them. In my own play experience, I found that abandoning GM-adjudicated alignment did open up space, in play, for more sophistication in how players thought about what might be the right thing for their PC to do. The scenarios described here seem pretty strange to me - the players are making up that Grog or Jorgund is chaotic neutral because "that sounds great" and they "like the sound" of it; yet the GM is seriously adjudicating the meaning of alignment. That seems to be a pretty big mis-match in approaches to and expectations of play! But why do we need objective/impartial evaluation? Why does it matter how a character's alignment is classified? (I know why it mattered in D&D/AD&D as played 45+ years ago; but I don't think that approach is very common today.) [/QUOTE]

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