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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Composer99" data-source="post: 9006445" data-attributes="member: 7030042">I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Baker's logic. (Also, Baker doesn't say rules are unwelcome; it's the fiction they create that is unwelcome - or, at least, unlooked-for.)I don't know if there's a better word to use: unwelcome has connotations of unenjoyable, which to my mind runs contrary to the purpose of RPGs-as-hobby-game. But the point is that the rules, per Baker, are there to create (and enforce) fiction that players would not have agreed to create in, say, a "freeform imagination" exercise.Even in games that intend to deliver a gameplay experience rather different from games of Baker's design, the rules allow for fiction that participants might either not have anticipated or find "unwelcome" - player character death being an obvious example.</blockquote>