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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 9014904" data-attributes="member: 85555">I wasn't contradicting your point. I was just talking about the particular line of text. And yes, I agree Gygax was inconsistent. That is one of the most enjoyable DMGs to read and crammed with interesting advice and ideas, but you can tell either certain ideas were not fully threaded together or he was perhaps at times thinking out loud. I think in the end though, and I would have to re-read it again to be honest, the spirit carried into the 2E text is there.This is the line from the 2E DMG by the way (there is plenty of other stuff in the PHB too but this seems like the most direct in the rules portion about it): [ATTACH=full]283943[/ATTACH]My point about the period in which these were written was just about how they weren't really invested in a lot of concerns driving debates here on forums like this these days</blockquote>