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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9016692" data-attributes="member: 42582">Apocalypse World (original version), p 12 (emphasis original):The rule for moves is if you do it, you do it, so make with the dice.The point of the rule is that there is no &quot;say 'yes' or roll the dice&quot; (cf DitV, Burning Wheel, 4e D&amp;D), nor any need for the GM to decide whether or not an action has an uncertain consequence (cf 5e D&amp;D). If the salient fiction occurs, the dice must be rolled as part of the process of establishing what happens next.It's not a rule about takebacks. In fact AW is quite clear about takebacks (from p 12 again):. . . when a player has her character take action that counts as a move, but doesn’t realize it, or doesn’t intend it to be a move. For instance: “I shove him out of my way.” Your answer then should be “cool, you’re going aggro?” . . .

You don’t ask in order to give the player a chance to decline to roll, you ask in order to give the player a chance to revise her character’s action if she really didn’t mean to make the move. “Cool, you’re going aggro?” Legit: “oh! No, no, if he’s really blocking the door, whatever, I’ll go the other way.” Not legit: “well no, I’m just shoving him out of my way, I don’t want to roll for it.”In other words, the point of &quot;if you do it, you do it&quot; is to make the unwelcome and unwanted part of the shared fiction, because at certain points the fiction is not established by consensus, nor just by one person saying stuff about the parts of the fiction they &quot;own&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 9016692, member: 42582"] Apocalypse World (original version), p 12 (emphasis original): [indent]The rule for moves is [b]if you do it, you do it[/b], so make with the dice.[/indent] The point of the rule is that there is no "say 'yes' or roll the dice" (cf DitV, Burning Wheel, 4e D&D), nor any need for the GM to decide whether or not an action has an uncertain consequence (cf 5e D&D). If the salient fiction occurs, the dice must be rolled as part of the process of establishing what happens next. It's [I]not[/I] a rule about takebacks. In fact AW is quite clear about takebacks (from p 12 again): [indent]. . . when a player has her character take action that counts as a move, but doesn’t realize it, or doesn’t intend it to be a move. For instance: “I shove him out of my way.” Your answer then should be “cool, you’re going aggro?” . . . You don’t ask in order to give the player a chance to decline to roll, you ask in order to give the player a chance to revise her character’s action if she really didn’t mean to make the move. “Cool, you’re going aggro?” Legit: “oh! No, no, if he’s really blocking the door, whatever, I’ll go the other way.” Not legit: “well no, I’m just shoving him out of my way, I don’t want to roll for it.”[/indent] In other words, the point of "if you do it, you do it" is to [I]make the unwelcome and unwanted[/I] part of the shared fiction, because at certain points the fiction is [I]not established[/I] by consensus, [I]nor[/I] just by one person saying stuff about the parts of the fiction they "own". [/QUOTE]

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