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<blockquote data-quote="Pedantic" data-source="post: 9017910" data-attributes="member: 6690965">[USER=71699]@clearstream[/USER] has the correct reading of my intent here. I was specifically suggesting separating, as he put it, set-dresser, manager and referee into three separate roles, each handled by a different person, but not calling for the subdivision of those roles.Those games lack what I would define as the fundamental differentiator between TTRPGs and board games; they don't allow for players to set their own goals, and they don't allow for unbounded time scaling, so that play can continue after a goal has been achieved or rendered impossible. They rely heavily on scripted scenario design and thus can't produce an emergent story (or at least, only a very thin one).I don't see how this would be in conflict with the other two roles described. The referee could simply ask for and/or be provided any relevant hidden information by the parties playing the other two roles. It is certainly convenient to keep that all in the same person, but I don't know that it's essential.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pedantic, post: 9017910, member: 6690965"] [USER=71699]@clearstream[/USER] has the correct reading of my intent here. I was specifically suggesting separating, as he put it, set-dresser, manager and referee into three separate roles, each handled by a different person, but not calling for the subdivision of those roles. Those games lack what I would define as the fundamental differentiator between TTRPGs and board games; they don't allow for players to set their own goals, and they don't allow for unbounded time scaling, so that play can continue after a goal has been achieved or rendered impossible. They rely heavily on scripted scenario design and thus can't produce an emergent story (or at least, only a very thin one). I don't see how this would be in conflict with the other two roles described. The referee could simply ask for and/or be provided any relevant hidden information by the parties playing the other two roles. It is certainly convenient to keep that all in the same person, but I don't know that it's essential. [/QUOTE]

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