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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 9028978" data-attributes="member: 42582">Children can answer [USER=71699]@clearstream[/USER]'s questions. Because they have beliefs about, and ideas about, bears, water, wells, etc.But if is able to use some language to describe things = is simulating, then it seems to be the notion of simulation has been deprived of meaning.A wind tunnel isn't just a collection of beliefs and ideas about wind: it has a very specific, technical relationship to the phenomena it models. A weather forecasting model relies less on physical instantiation, and more on mathematical reasoning, than does a wind tunnel, but it still has quite specific, technical relationships to the phenomena it models.If someone describes (say) the setup in Graham Greene's The Quiet American to someone who's not read the book, and then asks them to guess how it turns out, that person might be able to extrapolate from what they've been told. They might even do a good job (especially if they have some knowledge of Greene as a writer). But that's not a model of anything. It's just reasoning.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 9028978, member: 42582"] Children can answer [USER=71699]@clearstream[/USER]'s questions. Because they have beliefs about, and ideas about, bears, water, wells, etc. But if [I]is able to use some language to describe things[/I] = [I]is simulating[/I], then it seems to be the notion of simulation has been deprived of meaning. A wind tunnel isn't just a collection of beliefs and ideas about wind: it has a very specific, technical relationship to the phenomena it models. A weather forecasting model relies less on physical instantiation, and more on mathematical reasoning, than does a wind tunnel, but it still has quite specific, technical relationships to the phenomena it models. If someone describes (say) the setup in Graham Greene's The Quiet American to someone who's not read the book, and then asks them to guess how it turns out, that person might be able to extrapolate from what they've been told. They might even do a good job (especially if they have some knowledge of Greene as a writer). But that's not a model of anything. It's just reasoning. [/QUOTE]

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