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Message: <blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 9038208" data-attributes="member: 6779310">I despise  your choice of labels; I agree with the reasons you applied them to... but I personally have seldom seen #3 to be anything less than annoying in practice. PVP is antisocial, and uncommon. I'll also note that your list seems inherently limited to the storygames side....<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The mechanical systems are in themselves interesting. (Either for optimization/evaluation, or for enjoyable flow.) {this is often true for me.} </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The mechanics impose/enforce setting tropes. (Especially for systems with Magic rules. Also for class-based mechanics.)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The mechanics provide tools for enhancing creativity by creating starting points.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The mechanics provide tools for simulating some elements.</li> </ul>It's worth noting that the effect of AWE/PBTA moves is both providing a framework to be creative within, and to enforce tropes, by using the inherent interest of a mechanical resolution, the setting tropes, and the unpredictable.Traveller has several examples of  those.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Mechanical interest: Character Generation, ship building, combat (Personal and Ship-to-ship).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Imposing/enforcing setting tropes: Traveller's jump drive rules provide an interesting set of limits in the setting; they also provide the core tropeset for how the OTU handles travel. Character gen is very much a block of setting tropes. World Gen also has a bunch of setting tropes encoded/emergent in/from it.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Tools for enhancing creativity: The Patron tables, the animal generation, the world generation, and the random encounter tables all provide starting points for various elements.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Simulation:  Traveller's Character Gen and combat are intentionally low-fidelity simulations. World Gen is at best emulation,</li> </ul></blockquote>

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