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<blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 9040109" data-attributes="member: 6785785">It's not false though. Whatever &quot;reasons&quot; that the GM has are also constructs of imagination. If they decide that elves live in the forest because that's what genre tells us, that's a choice. They could just as easily subvert that trope and have the elves live in the desert. There's a reason for either. What makes one more real than the other? Nothing.If you trace back this perceived causality, it all leads to the GM deciding something. There's no actual causality for any of it other than &quot;this is how the GM decided it would be&quot;. And that's perfectly fine... folks should play however they want. But they should own it.Because the point in this case was about why the PCs are faced with an element unrelated to their goals (the goblins) versus an element related to their goals (the orcs one PC was seeking). It comes down to &quot;what the GM has decided&quot; versus &quot;what the player wants&quot;.If you hold &quot;what the GM has decided&quot; to be more important than &quot;what the player wants&quot; that's perfectly fine... but call it what it is and don't mistake it for some kind of causality or adherence to &quot;more realistic&quot; processes.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="hawkeyefan, post: 9040109, member: 6785785"] It's not false though. Whatever "reasons" that the GM has are also constructs of imagination. If they decide that elves live in the forest because that's what genre tells us, that's a choice. They could just as easily subvert that trope and have the elves live in the desert. There's a reason for either. What makes one more real than the other? Nothing. If you trace back this perceived causality, it all leads to the GM deciding something. There's no actual causality for any of it other than "this is how the GM decided it would be". And that's perfectly fine... folks should play however they want. But they should own it. Because the point in this case was about why the PCs are faced with an element unrelated to their goals (the goblins) versus an element related to their goals (the orcs one PC was seeking). It comes down to "what the GM has decided" versus "what the player wants". If you hold "what the GM has decided" to be more important than "what the player wants" that's perfectly fine... but call it what it is and don't mistake it for some kind of causality or adherence to "more realistic" processes. [/QUOTE]

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