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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 9041457" data-attributes="member: 82106">Well... First I would point out that "the world itself" is not a thing, it has no facts, only fiction! So, while I think it is possible to author fiction that has regards to other fiction its still all turtles, all the way down. So in lieu of 2 I would posit "players author world facts based on other criteria and regardless of any dramatic needs of the PCs."Right, and the essence of the discussion of preferences here is that some prefer one set of priorities, and the other prefer another. Again, refer to my version of 2, with the proviso that I agree facts generated without regard to the PCs are equally potent in play, certainly we would assume that at least for the sake of argument. (I think an interesting debate could be had on that point however).That is certainly a strong element in CLASSIC play. In fact it is essentially the whole of true classic play. The external 'dungeon maze' simply exists and the job of the PCs is to wander its hallways and rooms gathering achievements. I'd note that characterization plays no real part in this sort of play, aside from 'color'. Gygax clearly saw this, as plainly alignment is an attempt to make the character's beliefs and goals relevant at some level.I think there is basically a range of degrees of plausibility WRT any given fiction in RPG play. I don't think there's one set of criteria for this, and I don't think its possible to rank situations as to their 'realism' aside from in very limited ways (IE we can assess the realism of the injuries depicted by the people RPing being victims in my EMT training). For the most part it falls into the realm of taste. I personally don't find that 'narrativist' games in general offend my personal sense of what is realistic any more than most trad type games do. I don't think that we can likely even say that everyone at any given table feels that particular fictions are more or less realistic than others, there's probably a diversity of opinion, and my experience shows that often different stuff is more or less appreciated by each player.</blockquote>

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