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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 7018963" data-attributes="member: 6801845">There are some logic flaws I keep seeing on this thread (and similar ones).One is that if you succeed on a hide you are not detected therefore you are detected if you have not successfully taken a hide action.&nbsp; That's like saying that all mammals are bats because bats are mammals.&nbsp; If you are invisible you may or may not be detected depending on the situation.&nbsp; Another is the slippery slope argument.&nbsp; That since depending on the circumstances an invisible creature may not be detected even though they have not taken the hide action they are never detected if they are invisible.&nbsp; I don't see anyone stating that on this thread.All I can say is that being invisible does not automatically mean no on knows where you are in any games I've played.&nbsp; Nor does it mean that you are automatically detected if you have not taken the hide action.If a creature is making sufficient noise to be heard, stepping in mud or otherwise leaving tracks, is in a light drizzle/smoke/mist, is close enough that you can feel a disturbance in the air ... or any number of other reasons ... then your PC knows where the creature is.It's funny.&nbsp; To me the worst would be rules that explicitly state that I always know where someone is even if I cannot see, here or otherwise detect them.In a previous edition, I don't know how many times everyone at the table agreed that it was idiotic that we knew exactly where everyone was unless they were officially &quot;hidden&quot;.&nbsp; [Sarcasm]Because why wouldn't you know that there's an invisible creature 200 feet away.&nbsp; Flying 10 feet above the ground.&nbsp; When the PCs are in the middle of a battle having to shout over the noise of combat.&nbsp; Totally made sense.[/Sarcasm]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 7018963, member: 6801845"] There are some logic flaws I keep seeing on this thread (and similar ones). One is that if you succeed on a hide you are not detected therefore you are detected if you have not successfully taken a hide action. That's like saying that all mammals are bats because bats are mammals. If you are invisible you may or may not be detected depending on the situation. Another is the slippery slope argument. That since depending on the circumstances an invisible creature may not be detected even though they have not taken the hide action they are never detected if they are invisible. I don't see anyone stating that on this thread. All I can say is that being invisible does not automatically mean no on knows where you are in any games I've played. Nor does it mean that you are automatically detected if you have not taken the hide action. If a creature is making sufficient noise to be heard, stepping in mud or otherwise leaving tracks, is in a light drizzle/smoke/mist, is close enough that you can feel a disturbance in the air ... or any number of other reasons ... then your PC knows where the creature is. It's funny. To me the worst would be rules that explicitly state that I always know where someone is even if I cannot see, here or otherwise detect them. In a previous edition, I don't know how many times everyone at the table agreed that it was idiotic that we knew exactly where everyone was unless they were officially "hidden". [Sarcasm]Because why [I]wouldn't[/I] you know that there's an invisible creature 200 feet away. Flying 10 feet above the ground. When the PCs are in the middle of a battle having to shout over the noise of combat. [I]Totally[/I] made sense.[/Sarcasm] [/QUOTE]

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