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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Werebat" data-source="post: 7019097" data-attributes="member: 40158">"So yes, you should always ask a new DM how they run hiding and invisibility, because there is no "default". And you should expect a large degree of table variation."Indeed.  And skilled players will always find a way to strongarm the DM into interpreting the invisibility rules in a way that benefit them.Truly great players can actually force a DM to run invisibility two different ways -- one way for the players, another way for their opponents.I once saw a table where the players were actually able to bullyrag the DM into using one interpretation of the invisibility rules for THEM, and another for their opponents, IN THE SAME COMBAT!  It was a beautiful thing.Powergaming is still a thing in 5E.  It's just that it switched from being an Int-based skill to being a Cha-based one.</blockquote>