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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 7019329" data-attributes="member: 29398">I'm saying it's a personal preference as opposed to something that is hard-coded in the rules or that is the default at all tables.Yes; the fans are those PCs who are using the exact same tactics against the enemy!&nbsp; Never mind that a resourceful party will have multiple ways of quickly locating an invisible enemy if they're willing to spend just a tiny bit of time and effort...a simple Detect Magic will usually do.&nbsp; That said, sometimes things can be more fun if they're not made easy.Sometimes &quot;Not Fun&quot; happens; never mind that it's defined differently by pretty much everyone.&nbsp; Also, players of stealth characters sometimes quite enjoy the cat-and-mouse of invisibles trying to both find and avoid each other at the same time.I cut this out of context because it's a huge and completely different issue.&nbsp; Countering this requires the DM to give out xp on an individual rather than group basis where no participation in an encounter = no xp for it.&nbsp; Invisibility has no direct bearing on this issue as non-participation can take many forms, and there's been a few threads in here over the last few years that covered it in depth - look for any thread to do with how (or if) xp are awarded and it'll probably be in there.Lanefan</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 7019329, member: 29398"] I'm saying it's a personal preference as opposed to something that is hard-coded in the rules or that is the default at all tables. Yes; the fans are those PCs who are using the exact same tactics against the enemy! Never mind that a resourceful party will have multiple ways of quickly locating an invisible enemy if they're willing to spend just a tiny bit of time and effort...a simple [I]Detect Magic[/I] will usually do. That said, sometimes things can be more fun if they're not made easy. Sometimes "Not Fun" happens; never mind that it's defined differently by pretty much everyone. Also, players of stealth characters sometimes quite enjoy the cat-and-mouse of invisibles trying to both find and avoid each other at the same time. I cut this out of context because it's a huge and completely different issue. Countering this requires the DM to give out xp on an individual rather than group basis where no participation in an encounter = no xp for it. Invisibility has no direct bearing on this issue as non-participation can take many forms, and there's been a few threads in here over the last few years that covered it in depth - look for any thread to do with how (or if) xp are awarded and it'll probably be in there. Lanefan [/QUOTE]

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