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<blockquote data-quote="dco" data-source="post: 7019445">Where does it say things are automatically detected? What is the point of detect spells?The condition also says &quot;a invisible creature is impossible to see without the aid of magic or special sense&quot;. If there is any doubt the heavily obscured section talks about the blind condition, so against the invisible thing people are blind.It also says the creature's location can be detected by noise or tracks, obviously an invisible creature is not detected by default as you say, it's logical, sight is the only targeting sense humans have and this is translated to the game. The DM determines the DC as always, I don't see the problem there, for example if you are seeing a parade or a concert you should not be able to hear any footsteps, if there is people moving and talking it should be very difficult to discern the noise of all footsteps, if the creature walks silently then the difficulties should rise, if the floor makes noise it should be easier. Apply common sense.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dco, post: 7019445"] Where does it say things are automatically detected? What is the point of detect spells? The condition also says "a invisible creature is impossible to see without the aid of magic or special sense". If there is any doubt the heavily obscured section talks about the blind condition, so against the invisible thing people are blind. It also says the creature's location can be detected by noise or tracks, obviously an invisible creature is not detected by default as you say, it's logical, sight is the only targeting sense humans have and this is translated to the game. The DM determines the DC as always, I don't see the problem there, for example if you are seeing a parade or a concert you should not be able to hear any footsteps, if there is people moving and talking it should be very difficult to discern the noise of all footsteps, if the creature walks silently then the difficulties should rise, if the floor makes noise it should be easier. Apply common sense. [/QUOTE]

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