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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Crimson Binome" data-source="post: 7020237" data-attributes="member: 6775031">I'm not sure about that.This edition of the game doesn't put much stock in absolutes, but it does cover generalities, and then it gives the DM broad discretion to adjudicate anything that would interfere with the general case scenario. Based on my reading, and the reading of others with whom I've discussed this, the consensus is that the wizard doesn't suddenly vanish from perception when they cast the Invisibility spell; they have to take an action to hide first, which means it isn't a viable method of escaping combat... unless there's something in the environment that would make it impossible for you to hear them - something to indicate that this is an exceptional case, in need of DM adjudication, rather than the general case which the rules describe. It may seem a little counter-intuitive at first, but considering both the words in the book and the clarifications via Twitter, that is the common consensus.If I'm playing in a new group, and the DM hasn't stated anything to the contrary, that's my assumption for how things are going to play out. If an enemy wizard does pull of that sort of vanishing act, then it feels to me as though the DM isn't playing fairly, because there's no way that anyone could have possibly predicted it; and I could very well have taken different actions if I had imagined that it was a possibility. I may be disinclined to return to that group, since it feels like my choices don't actually matter, since the DM is making up rules without telling anyone.Of course, the DM is perfectly welcome to make up rules, or to change rules that they don't like, but that all needs to be declared before the situation arises in-game. In the absence of declared exceptions, the rules in the book (and previous discussions) are the only clue we have as to what the rules of the game actually are, and you can't possibly play a game in a meaningful fashion if everyone doesn't know the rules.</blockquote>

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