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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 7022810" data-attributes="member: 6801845">Kind of combining posts here...How do you define &quot;in your vicinity&quot;. Is it 10 feet? 20? 30?&nbsp; You didn't like my scenario so how about another one.&nbsp; A witch flying 10 feet overhead on a broom turns invisible and flies away.&nbsp; Do you know where they are?I would say you may have a general idea of the direction she initially took but speed on a broom is 50 feet so good luck with knowing her exact location at the end of her move.&nbsp; In addition, environmental factors can apply, why wouldn't they?&nbsp; Did the witch just fireball a busy marketplace? People (and animals) are screaming, people are shouting, fire is crackling.&nbsp; All of that is going to mask any minor &quot;whooshing&quot; sound the broom might make.I agree that there are times when you will know where someone is even if they turn invisible.&nbsp; In some cases I may roll and ask for stealth and perception checks if it makes sense.&nbsp; I just don't attempt to make a &quot;one size fits all&quot; rule.Huh? I'm honestly confused.I just gave it as an example of when I wouldn't even bother with numbers, passive or otherwise.&nbsp; If you've decided that the PCs should be able to hear the creature, why even bother with numbers?None of your suggestions discuss distance, adjustments or other factors.&nbsp; As I said before if that's ok with you and your group I don't see a problem and I don't care.I was just giving my feedback and explaining how I run it.&nbsp; If you ask for feedback, don't get your grundies in a bundle because I disagree with you.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 7022810, member: 6801845"] Kind of combining posts here... How do you define "in your vicinity". Is it 10 feet? 20? 30? You didn't like my scenario so how about another one. A witch flying 10 feet overhead on a broom turns invisible and flies away. Do you know where they are? I would say you may have a general idea of the direction she initially took but speed on a broom is 50 feet so good luck with knowing her exact location at the end of her move. In addition, environmental factors can apply, why wouldn't they? Did the witch just fireball a busy marketplace? People (and animals) are screaming, people are shouting, fire is crackling. All of that is going to mask any minor "whooshing" sound the broom might make. I agree that there are times when you will know where someone is even if they turn invisible. In some cases I may roll and ask for stealth and perception checks if it makes sense. I just don't attempt to make a "one size fits all" rule. Huh? I'm honestly confused. I just gave it as an example of when I wouldn't even bother with numbers, passive or otherwise. If you've decided that the PCs should be able to hear the creature, why even bother with numbers? None of your suggestions discuss distance, adjustments or other factors. As I said before if that's ok with you and your group I don't see a problem and I don't care. I was just giving my feedback and explaining how I run it. If you ask for feedback, don't get your grundies in a bundle because I disagree with you. [/QUOTE]

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