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<blockquote data-quote="Caliban" data-source="post: 7022843" data-attributes="member: 284">Whatever the DM decides is appropriate for the circumstances.&nbsp;&nbsp; That's why I said &quot;vicinity&quot; instead of giving a number. Sure. The broom is still visible.&nbsp; She's not carrying or wearing it, she's riding it. If she flew away, she's no longer in your vicinity.&nbsp;&nbsp; You're the one who asked for a reason why you wouldn't know they were there.&nbsp; I gave you one.&nbsp;&nbsp; Not my fault your character is deaf. &nbsp; No you didn't.&nbsp; You proposed a scenario, but did not say how you would handle it.&nbsp;&nbsp; That would be a question, not an example.&nbsp; Sometimes the numbers are what tell you the PC's should be able to hear them.&nbsp;&nbsp; If the numbers hit one extreme or another, there's no dice rolling involved as the check either can't be failed or can't be made.&nbsp;&nbsp; Sometimes it's the story or plot that determines if someone will be spotted or not, but that wasn't the topic under discussion. Make up your mind.&nbsp; &quot;It sounds reasonable&quot;.&nbsp; Then you ask a bunch of nit picky questions and really unlikely scenarios (all of which were easily handled by my proposed rules, I'll note),&nbsp; and then you say you don't care.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />&nbsp; I thought you said it was reasonable...or was it that you don't care?&nbsp; And now you are saying you disagree with me.&nbsp; I don't think i'm the one with my &quot;grundies in a bundle&quot; here. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> FYI - you are coming off as very adversarial here.&nbsp; I've answered your latest round of interrogation, but I think i'm done now.&nbsp;&nbsp; In any case, thank you for the feedback, I feel much more confident that my proposed house rules can handle invisibility well enough.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Caliban, post: 7022843, member: 284"] Whatever the DM decides is appropriate for the circumstances. That's why I said "vicinity" instead of giving a number. Sure. The broom is still visible. She's not carrying or wearing it, she's riding it. If she flew away, she's no longer in your vicinity. You're the one who asked for a reason why you wouldn't know they were there. I gave you one. Not my fault your character is deaf. No you didn't. You proposed a scenario, but did not say how you would handle it. That would be a question, not an example. Sometimes the numbers are what tell you the PC's should be able to hear them. If the numbers hit one extreme or another, there's no dice rolling involved as the check either can't be failed or can't be made. Sometimes it's the story or plot that determines if someone will be spotted or not, but that wasn't the topic under discussion. Make up your mind. "It sounds reasonable". Then you ask a bunch of nit picky questions and really unlikely scenarios (all of which were easily handled by my proposed rules, I'll note), and then you say you don't care. :p I thought you said it was reasonable...or was it that you don't care? And now you are saying you disagree with me. I don't think i'm the one with my "grundies in a bundle" here. :p FYI - you are coming off as very adversarial here. I've answered your latest round of interrogation, but I think i'm done now. In any case, thank you for the feedback, I feel much more confident that my proposed house rules can handle invisibility well enough. [/QUOTE]

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