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<blockquote data-quote="LightPhoenix" data-source="post: 281893" data-attributes="member: 115"><p>I'll second everybody on the poor writing reason - the show was just bad. Even the first few seasons weren't anything compared to the writing that, say, DS9 had. In addition, the show obviously became too focused on Jeri Ryan (7 of 9) after she was introduced. Only in the first season or two did the show really have the feel of an ensemble cast, something Voyager sorely needed. After all, there's all these Star Fleet and Maquis trying to get along in a world where their ideals don't matter, where people have never even heard of humans or Bajor or what have you. They needed to rely on each other, and instead it turned into the Janeway/Seven show.</p><p></p><p>My own personal reason, which I don't think anyone has mentioned yet (if you haven't figured it out), is that Voyager had a metric buttload of potential, and it was squandered. Voyager started out with an interesting premise and some interesting characters and potentials for character growth. For example, imagine if you will:</p><p></p><p>Janeway as a naive, moralistic captain who believed in following the rules, and who would have to make some tough choices and hopefully learn that following the rules were not all there was to being a captain. Especially in a part of space where there were no rules and no Federation to back them up.</p><p></p><p>Neelix as a rebellious alien from a planet of people both uninterested and too afraid to search beyond the stars. A man at odds with his people, struggling to understand people who have made a life out of exploring. A man who knows much of the space they are in, but never listened to because he is simple a cook, not a soldier or a pilot or even important.</p><p></p><p>Tuvok as the consumate Vulcan, acting as the voice of reason and restraint on a ship where everyone will do anything to get home. Straining against the virtues of logic when his family waits for him at home, torn between doing what is right and what is logical (doing whatever is necessary to get home, because they won't have much of an impact in this quadrant).</p><p></p><p>Chakotay as the leader of the Maquis left on Voyager, wanting to help his people get home, learning that not all of Star Fleet is bad but knowing that things will likely be the same when he gets home.</p><p></p><p>Torres as a woman trapped between the Human and Klingon worlds, mistrusted because of what her people did so long ago. Mistrusted for her passion and her impatience, but shockingly brilliant among a savage people, struggling to reconcile the two halves of her heritage.</p><p></p><p>Kim as a lowly crew member, learning to be more than his bumbling self, learning to be confident and losing some of his innocence along the way.</p><p></p><p>Paris as the charismatic hotshot pilot who realizes that his actions have consequences for himself and for others, learning to use his charisma and skills not to impress but to lead people to victory.</p><p></p><p>Do you see where I'm going with this? I'm hoping you can at least see the potential for good storytelling - a potential which was wasted, thrown away by poor writers. That's why I don't like this show.</p><p></p><p>Oh, and I never liked the Doctor character - though Picardo was often times IMO the saving grace of the show. He is a great actor, and I love catching him in other stuff.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LightPhoenix, post: 281893, member: 115"] I'll second everybody on the poor writing reason - the show was just bad. Even the first few seasons weren't anything compared to the writing that, say, DS9 had. In addition, the show obviously became too focused on Jeri Ryan (7 of 9) after she was introduced. Only in the first season or two did the show really have the feel of an ensemble cast, something Voyager sorely needed. After all, there's all these Star Fleet and Maquis trying to get along in a world where their ideals don't matter, where people have never even heard of humans or Bajor or what have you. They needed to rely on each other, and instead it turned into the Janeway/Seven show. My own personal reason, which I don't think anyone has mentioned yet (if you haven't figured it out), is that Voyager had a metric buttload of potential, and it was squandered. Voyager started out with an interesting premise and some interesting characters and potentials for character growth. For example, imagine if you will: Janeway as a naive, moralistic captain who believed in following the rules, and who would have to make some tough choices and hopefully learn that following the rules were not all there was to being a captain. Especially in a part of space where there were no rules and no Federation to back them up. Neelix as a rebellious alien from a planet of people both uninterested and too afraid to search beyond the stars. A man at odds with his people, struggling to understand people who have made a life out of exploring. A man who knows much of the space they are in, but never listened to because he is simple a cook, not a soldier or a pilot or even important. Tuvok as the consumate Vulcan, acting as the voice of reason and restraint on a ship where everyone will do anything to get home. Straining against the virtues of logic when his family waits for him at home, torn between doing what is right and what is logical (doing whatever is necessary to get home, because they won't have much of an impact in this quadrant). Chakotay as the leader of the Maquis left on Voyager, wanting to help his people get home, learning that not all of Star Fleet is bad but knowing that things will likely be the same when he gets home. Torres as a woman trapped between the Human and Klingon worlds, mistrusted because of what her people did so long ago. Mistrusted for her passion and her impatience, but shockingly brilliant among a savage people, struggling to reconcile the two halves of her heritage. Kim as a lowly crew member, learning to be more than his bumbling self, learning to be confident and losing some of his innocence along the way. Paris as the charismatic hotshot pilot who realizes that his actions have consequences for himself and for others, learning to use his charisma and skills not to impress but to lead people to victory. Do you see where I'm going with this? I'm hoping you can at least see the potential for good storytelling - a potential which was wasted, thrown away by poor writers. That's why I don't like this show. Oh, and I never liked the Doctor character - though Picardo was often times IMO the saving grace of the show. He is a great actor, and I love catching him in other stuff. [/QUOTE]
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