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<blockquote data-quote="Chun-tzu" data-source="post: 282007" data-attributes="member: 1441"><p>I agree with a lot of what's been said already. Good premise, tons of potential, very little of it tapped. There were some ok episodes, but none of them come to me off-hand (unlike TNG and DS9). There were a number of episodes that I *hated*. There was one with aliens that aged just like humans, only backwards, which is SO unbelievably and ridiculously unsound that I found it insulted my intelligence (and the plot did not justify such a lame concept). And the year-in-hell storyline was one thing, but the one where you find out at the end of the episode that we've been following the adventures of copies of the crew for who-knows how long, and so who knows which episodes were really them and which weren't? God, that's horrible story-telling.</p><p></p><p>The characters:</p><p>1) I don't think Janeway was that terrible, and don't have any major problems with her (or Kate Mulgrew).</p><p>2) 7 of 9 is really hot, sure, and I'd say she's the second hottest Star Trek babe (Jadzia is far sexier), but she had NO personality. It didn't bother me much at first, but it bugs me now. The character is quite bland, despite all the airtime she got. And the monotone voice irks me. It's fine for androids and vulcans, but just didn't work for me on her. </p><p>3) Yes, Voyager ruined the Borg and Q, 2 of the greatest nemeses on TNG.</p><p>4) Poor Harry Kim was more often an embarrassment to the uniform than a credit. As an Asian male, that ticks me off.</p><p>5) I liked the Doctor, but thought he was SO anthropomorphized. The Doctor is NOT Data, and IMHO should not have been another human-wannabe. A condescending, arrogant, I'm-better-than-you-are EMH would have been fine in my book. I also don't like the way he identified himself as a hologram. He's not, he's an artificial intelligence. The best analogy you could make is that the hologram is his body, but the true doctor was the computer program.</p><p>6) As has been stated already, the return of Kes was an extremely poor way of treating a character who had been part of the Voyager family.</p><p>7) They shouldn't have killed Ensign Sudor (the Betazoid murderer). He could have been Voyager's Garak! They really shouldn't have killed him.</p><p></p><p>Actually, the premise was pretty good, but has a flaw. You know from the beginning that they're not making it home until the end. A premise like that works even better when you have a writer who's willing to totally twist things around on you, when the cast itself is changing every season, and the show is not afraid to change or evolve. It would be interesting to have seen Joss Whedon at the helm. Or, if not that, at least do the epic story arcs, like DS9 and B5. The return home should have been an epic story arc, not that 2-hour finale that was so unsatisfying.</p><p></p><p>All that said, Voyager is okay. I watch it in reruns (only because I've seen all the TNG episodes often enough, and there are no TV stations in Chicago that show DS9).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chun-tzu, post: 282007, member: 1441"] I agree with a lot of what's been said already. Good premise, tons of potential, very little of it tapped. There were some ok episodes, but none of them come to me off-hand (unlike TNG and DS9). There were a number of episodes that I *hated*. There was one with aliens that aged just like humans, only backwards, which is SO unbelievably and ridiculously unsound that I found it insulted my intelligence (and the plot did not justify such a lame concept). And the year-in-hell storyline was one thing, but the one where you find out at the end of the episode that we've been following the adventures of copies of the crew for who-knows how long, and so who knows which episodes were really them and which weren't? God, that's horrible story-telling. The characters: 1) I don't think Janeway was that terrible, and don't have any major problems with her (or Kate Mulgrew). 2) 7 of 9 is really hot, sure, and I'd say she's the second hottest Star Trek babe (Jadzia is far sexier), but she had NO personality. It didn't bother me much at first, but it bugs me now. The character is quite bland, despite all the airtime she got. And the monotone voice irks me. It's fine for androids and vulcans, but just didn't work for me on her. 3) Yes, Voyager ruined the Borg and Q, 2 of the greatest nemeses on TNG. 4) Poor Harry Kim was more often an embarrassment to the uniform than a credit. As an Asian male, that ticks me off. 5) I liked the Doctor, but thought he was SO anthropomorphized. The Doctor is NOT Data, and IMHO should not have been another human-wannabe. A condescending, arrogant, I'm-better-than-you-are EMH would have been fine in my book. I also don't like the way he identified himself as a hologram. He's not, he's an artificial intelligence. The best analogy you could make is that the hologram is his body, but the true doctor was the computer program. 6) As has been stated already, the return of Kes was an extremely poor way of treating a character who had been part of the Voyager family. 7) They shouldn't have killed Ensign Sudor (the Betazoid murderer). He could have been Voyager's Garak! They really shouldn't have killed him. Actually, the premise was pretty good, but has a flaw. You know from the beginning that they're not making it home until the end. A premise like that works even better when you have a writer who's willing to totally twist things around on you, when the cast itself is changing every season, and the show is not afraid to change or evolve. It would be interesting to have seen Joss Whedon at the helm. Or, if not that, at least do the epic story arcs, like DS9 and B5. The return home should have been an epic story arc, not that 2-hour finale that was so unsatisfying. All that said, Voyager is okay. I watch it in reruns (only because I've seen all the TNG episodes often enough, and there are no TV stations in Chicago that show DS9). [/QUOTE]
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