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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8177336" data-attributes="member: 93670">A lot of people have mentioned the cliche tolkein with serial numbers filed off elves & dwarves negatively, but that's another area where looking outside FR really opens the door to new & interesting societies.In darksun you have dwarves that shed the mines & beards for <a href="http://darksunadventures.blogspot.com/2019/01/dwarves-of-athas-part-1-forged-in-fire.html" target="_blank">other stuff</a> & <a href="https://darksun.fandom.com/wiki/Elf" target="_blank">elves</a> that are mostly nomadic herders or raiders but extremely different which elves of athas gets into.  Someone better versed in darksun than me might be able to summarize the relevant groups better than I.In eberron dwarves were always pegged as different but not really well  described beyond some scattered hints till rising came out.  Now they have the dwarves of house Kundarak who are basically bankers & security folks who will be happy to charge you to secure your home & possessions with the latest in wards vaults & so on as one group.  A second & distinct group are the dwarves of [spoiler="The Mror holds"] [ATTACH=full]131633[/ATTACH][/spoiler] [spoiler="There be no Tolkein here"][ATTACH=full]131634[/ATTACH][/spoiler]Then there are the dwarves that are just regular people who have a lot in common  with the other regular people of whatever city country or whatever they live in.  A Karrnathi farmer who happens to be a dwarf prpbably has more in common with a karrnathi ogre elf or human who happens to be a smith than a dwarf from the mror holds or a house Kundarak dwarf not from Karrnath.The elves of eberron break down into a few distinct groups & I'm not going to get into an exhaustive list when there are better places to start <a href="http://keith-baker.com/sidebar-elves-of-eberron/" target="_blank">that</a>, but the  most distinctive ones  are the mark of shadow (house<a href="https://eberron.fandom.com/wiki/Category:House_Phiarlan" target="_blank"> Phiarlan</a> & <a href="https://eberron.fandom.com/wiki/House_Thuranni" target="_blank">Thuranni</a>), the Aerenal, & vaelenar elves.  The two mark of shadow houses split for political reasons during the last war  (think ww1/ww2ish) but are similar groups of folks who specialize in magical hollywood type stuff... oh yea spying & sometimes assassination too. The Aerenal elves have a continent sized nation & very much have an ancestor reverance thing going on except they do it by keeping the most important ones around through a special type of undeath powered by willing sacrifice & positive energy called <a href="https://eberron.fandom.com/wiki/Deathless" target="_blank">deathless</a>.  The Vaelenar elves are pretty much one part mongol hoard riders one part klingon one part mercenaries & also revere their ancestors but in a different way that involves trying to relive the life of one.D&D has versions of every race that don't describe like a gaggle of Tolkein extras, you just usually won't find them in FR.</blockquote>

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