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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8180749" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>Right, it is completely silly to say "I need the strongest men in front to hold the line, those who are the best shots, grab the bows". I mean, no group has ever organized themselves by who is best at something. </p><p></p><p>And, even if 2/3's of them don't, remember I also did a part of the analysis with a +0 group of humans. Meaning no feat and no dex mod. And they still put up solid numbers. So, I would just take those, and increase that by however much the 1/3 increase in accuracy and damage is. </p><p></p><p>No matter how you slice it, Halflings aren't doing better. Lucky did not make them super soldiers who can devastate things with their awesome crits.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, by 0.25%. A rounding error that does not make a significant difference in any way. </p><p></p><p>Is it an absolute value increase? Sure, but to make a comparison, declaring victory on this point would be like having one man win 100 dollars and another win 100 dollars and twenty-five and declaring one of them meaningfully richer than the other. The difference is minuscule.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>What part of "I pulled out a random number" didn't you understand the first time? </p><p></p><p>You decided to challenge me on pulling out a random number because I was talking about goblins. I told you I wasn't' talking about goblins exclusively. That doesn't mean that my number still wasn't random. </p><p></p><p>You wanna "gotcha" me on the fact that I picked a random number that doesn't correspond to any of the mosnters I've been talking about? Go ahead. My point was to show the math. The numbers. The ratios and percentages. I could have picked any numbers between 5 and 20 to show that. The math would have shown the same result no matter what I picked. Stop harping on the fact that you misunderstood that it was a random number. It literally doesn't matter.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Someone with 10,001 cookies has more cookies than someone with 10,000. Doesn't likely seem to matter, since the difference is incredibly small. So small you wouldn't be able to tell just by looking. </p><p></p><p>0.25% more of a chance to crit is close enough to zero to not matter.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Really? Since when do halflings get a feat from being halfings? I thought only humans got a feat from their race. </p><p></p><p>Because, you know, I did literally say variant human, and list the feat as Weapon Master, which gives proficiencies. </p><p></p><p>So how does your level 0 halfling commoner get a feat? Did I miss an errata of the PHB?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh, I see. </p><p></p><p>Using the racial abilities of the halflings is reasonable. Using them for the humans is absurd. Sounds completely fair and balanced. Or I guess having a village with mandatory military service is absurd for humans, it isn't like we have something close to a hundred examples of countries and cities doing exactly that throughout history.</p><p></p><p>Also, remember Mordenkainens? The book that tells us that the halflings have super luck that protects them? The book you've quoted? </p><p></p><p>It gives us a list of "halfling tactics" that they use to defend their homes. No mention of Shortbows. They are supposed to use rocks and sticks. </p><p></p><p>Now, you might claim that it doesn't say anything at all about humans, but then again, it doesn't say anything at all about humans. I'm not contradicting anything by saying they defend their homes with longbows, in fact, we know that is a thing that humans do use, because you can buy them in most towns. </p><p></p><p>But, saying that halflings are using Shortbows... goes against what the book tells us they do. It ignores the lore we are given.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Wrong. The thrown property has you use the same value you would for the melee attack. Since rocks are not finesse weapons, they would use strength. </p><p></p><p>Also, a rock is not a ranged weapon, it would be a melee weapon. Because you can use it easily and effectively in melee.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Or, you know, follow the rules as written. That is also a thing they could do.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8180749, member: 6801228"] Right, it is completely silly to say "I need the strongest men in front to hold the line, those who are the best shots, grab the bows". I mean, no group has ever organized themselves by who is best at something. And, even if 2/3's of them don't, remember I also did a part of the analysis with a +0 group of humans. Meaning no feat and no dex mod. And they still put up solid numbers. So, I would just take those, and increase that by however much the 1/3 increase in accuracy and damage is. No matter how you slice it, Halflings aren't doing better. Lucky did not make them super soldiers who can devastate things with their awesome crits. Yes, by 0.25%. A rounding error that does not make a significant difference in any way. Is it an absolute value increase? Sure, but to make a comparison, declaring victory on this point would be like having one man win 100 dollars and another win 100 dollars and twenty-five and declaring one of them meaningfully richer than the other. The difference is minuscule. What part of "I pulled out a random number" didn't you understand the first time? You decided to challenge me on pulling out a random number because I was talking about goblins. I told you I wasn't' talking about goblins exclusively. That doesn't mean that my number still wasn't random. You wanna "gotcha" me on the fact that I picked a random number that doesn't correspond to any of the mosnters I've been talking about? Go ahead. My point was to show the math. The numbers. The ratios and percentages. I could have picked any numbers between 5 and 20 to show that. The math would have shown the same result no matter what I picked. Stop harping on the fact that you misunderstood that it was a random number. It literally doesn't matter. Someone with 10,001 cookies has more cookies than someone with 10,000. Doesn't likely seem to matter, since the difference is incredibly small. So small you wouldn't be able to tell just by looking. 0.25% more of a chance to crit is close enough to zero to not matter. Really? Since when do halflings get a feat from being halfings? I thought only humans got a feat from their race. Because, you know, I did literally say variant human, and list the feat as Weapon Master, which gives proficiencies. So how does your level 0 halfling commoner get a feat? Did I miss an errata of the PHB? Oh, I see. Using the racial abilities of the halflings is reasonable. Using them for the humans is absurd. Sounds completely fair and balanced. Or I guess having a village with mandatory military service is absurd for humans, it isn't like we have something close to a hundred examples of countries and cities doing exactly that throughout history. Also, remember Mordenkainens? The book that tells us that the halflings have super luck that protects them? The book you've quoted? It gives us a list of "halfling tactics" that they use to defend their homes. No mention of Shortbows. They are supposed to use rocks and sticks. Now, you might claim that it doesn't say anything at all about humans, but then again, it doesn't say anything at all about humans. I'm not contradicting anything by saying they defend their homes with longbows, in fact, we know that is a thing that humans do use, because you can buy them in most towns. But, saying that halflings are using Shortbows... goes against what the book tells us they do. It ignores the lore we are given. Wrong. The thrown property has you use the same value you would for the melee attack. Since rocks are not finesse weapons, they would use strength. Also, a rock is not a ranged weapon, it would be a melee weapon. Because you can use it easily and effectively in melee. Or, you know, follow the rules as written. That is also a thing they could do. [/QUOTE]
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