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why do we have halflings and gnomes?
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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8180958" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>Wow, you sure do love your out of context lines of text.</p><p></p><p>That particular line comes from the rules on Weapon Proficiency, let's get that first part of the text in here, shall we?</p><p></p><p>"<strong>Your race, class, and feats can grant you proficiency with certain Weapons or categories of Weapons.</strong> The two categories are <em>simple </em>and <em>martial</em>. Most people can use Simple Weapons with proficiency. These Weapons include clubs, maces, and other Weapons often found in the hands of commoners."</p><p></p><p>See that first sentence? The bolded one? It tells us that proficiency comes from 1) race, 2) Class and 3) feats. And we are speaking specifically about PCs, whom all have a class.</p><p></p><p>Every PC class has some simple weapons they are proficient in, this being the "most people" they were refering to. So, halflings as a race don't get simple weapons. They are level 0, so they don't have a class, and they don't have any feats...</p><p></p><p>So where does this proficiency come from? Are we just going to declare that everyone in the world is proficient with simple weapons? Why then is it a specific type of profiency you need to have? Seems to me that you are once more just making up things that the rules don't support.</p><p></p><p>Edit: And I just realized it is even more egregious than I first thought. Because you are trying to declare they have proficiency with shortbows. Shortbows are specifically given to Elves as part of their Weapon Training feature. Which tells us that no, not every commoner is proficient with a shortbow.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No rebuttal against me using the rules as written. Unsurprising. Continued ignoring of every other point to try and focus on the ones that you think you can disprove. Also unsurprising.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>1) Text does not say every single halfling village has elders that were adventurers, which was your claim</p><p>2) Text does not give every single person in the world proficiency with simple weapons</p><p></p><p></p><p>Maybe I'm not the one who needs to try looking at RAW.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8180958, member: 6801228"] Wow, you sure do love your out of context lines of text. That particular line comes from the rules on Weapon Proficiency, let's get that first part of the text in here, shall we? "[B]Your race, class, and feats can grant you proficiency with certain Weapons or categories of Weapons.[/B] The two categories are [I]simple [/I]and [I]martial[/I]. Most people can use Simple Weapons with proficiency. These Weapons include clubs, maces, and other Weapons often found in the hands of commoners." See that first sentence? The bolded one? It tells us that proficiency comes from 1) race, 2) Class and 3) feats. And we are speaking specifically about PCs, whom all have a class. Every PC class has some simple weapons they are proficient in, this being the "most people" they were refering to. So, halflings as a race don't get simple weapons. They are level 0, so they don't have a class, and they don't have any feats... So where does this proficiency come from? Are we just going to declare that everyone in the world is proficient with simple weapons? Why then is it a specific type of profiency you need to have? Seems to me that you are once more just making up things that the rules don't support. Edit: And I just realized it is even more egregious than I first thought. Because you are trying to declare they have proficiency with shortbows. Shortbows are specifically given to Elves as part of their Weapon Training feature. Which tells us that no, not every commoner is proficient with a shortbow. No rebuttal against me using the rules as written. Unsurprising. Continued ignoring of every other point to try and focus on the ones that you think you can disprove. Also unsurprising. 1) Text does not say every single halfling village has elders that were adventurers, which was your claim 2) Text does not give every single person in the world proficiency with simple weapons Maybe I'm not the one who needs to try looking at RAW. [/QUOTE]
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